Can anyone detail this "awkward magic" that is supposed to reinvent boxing and topple Floyd?

Because some of the warm up isn't movement specific. There are warm up drills that involve the mechanics of fighting, and those that don't. The arm flopping isn't something he uses in a fight. Moving back and forth with head movement is.
Ohhhh! So now SOME of the warm up isn't movement specific! And how u determine that? Based on what YOU think?

U just answered your own question! Cause to everyone else it's just a warm up drill... But to you? Well u will forever say that's how Conor moves in a real fight... Even though he never did that move in his MMA career
 
Conor isnt even that "awkward". Hes just got a really wide stance and a long reach with which he keeps out there and controls the lead hand.

He just pressures with a wide stance and does the slip back counter.

High level boxers detect patterns and traps like no other.

In MMA, a sport with few pro boxers dabbling in it, unlike pro kickboxers, pro BJJ'ers, pro-wrestlers (Olympic caliber since they don't have a paid league) any person with good hands is gonna appear BETTER than he is.

Conor simply has better hands than most MMA guys, but in boxing, he's far from being a phenom.

His sparring with Paulie doesn't say much. I've seen pro grapplers tap to non-pros in casual rolls.

It's different in real fight/match, when you're prepared in every way.

Could conor have been a good pro boxer? Probably.

But hell, so could have BJ Penn if he made it his goal.

And god knows how good a grappler Mike Tyson could have been had he wrestled in junior high. He was afterall, a gifted athlete.
 
Ohhhh! So now SOME of the warm up isn't movement specific! And how u determine that? Based on what YOU think?

U just answered your own question! Cause to everyone else it's just a warm up drill... But to you? Well u will forever say that's how Conor moves in a real fight... Even though he never did that move in his MMA career

I mean, I know for a fact that certain movements mimick fighting and some don't. Stepping forward out of a crouch moving your head is a standard boxing drill. It isn't some mystery. The fact he's stepping with the wrong foot first out of that crouch isn't exactly great news for him.
 
I mean, I know for a fact that certain movements mimick fighting and some don't. Stepping forward out of a crouch moving your head is a standard boxing drill. It isn't some mystery. The fact he's stepping with the wrong foot first out of that crouch isn't exactly great news for him.
Like I said, you THINK whatever you want, if u say it's a move then that's your opinion... To me it looked like a warm up
 
I think you should too. Floyd was landing but he missed a lot of open counter shots. Burton was really tagging Floyd while he was being defensive. I wouldn't say that Floyd was kicking his ass for most of the fight. Go and rewatch.

It was not as one sided as i remembered, but it was still REALLY one sided. He definitely didn't give Floyd "fits"
 
OP stop wasting your time.

You're better off asking a wall with down syndrome than cult conor cucks.
 
Conor himself just tried.



The in-and-out bounce of a karate stance is "flustering" apparently.

I think he's in for a rude awakening.
 


Joe Cortez, refereed 200+ title fights, boxed himself with some success, says Mayweather will be surprised by all the different angles of Conor.

But I'm sure TS knows better than Joe Cortez.



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Joe Cortez, refereed 200+ title fights, boxed himself with some success, says Mayweather will be surprised by all the different angles of Conor.

But I'm sure TS knows better than Joe Cortez.



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He's not going to bite the hand that fed him and call it a mismatch. Whether it's awkward is different than whether it will be effective. Thus far nobody has pointed to a Conor fight and shown me anything very unconventional or innovative in striking.

If he comes out like Hamed Floyd is going to Barrera him.
 
He's not going to bite the hand that fed him and call it a mismatch. Whether it's awkward is different than whether it will be effective. Thus far nobody has pointed to a Conor fight and shown me anything very unconventional or innovative in striking.

If he comes out like Hamed Floyd is going to Barrera him.
You're just going to try and rationalize anything you hear that goes against your pet theory.

Him "biting the hand that fed him" has nothing to do with anything. People like you apparently have no concept of staying silent or saying things that are true AND positive. If Cortez says Conor will show Floyd angles he's never seen, then that's what he means. He has no reason to say that if he doesn't mean it. It's a specific thing to say and he wasn't forced into saying it by the interviewer asking "will Conor show Floyd some mad angles?" He went down that path himself.
 
I'll play along, even though I think Conor doesn't stand a chance.

He's a fresh face, that Floyd really doesn't have a lot to go on, as far as preparation goes. Conor could possibly throw off Floyd's timing and rhythm, by simply not being the traditional boxer Floyd is used to. Floyd is going in a bit blind as to what to expect from Conor. If Conor goes in there bouncing around in his MMA stance, it could give Floyd some problems that he'll have to adjust to.

I highly, HIGHLY doubt Floyd will have any problems, but the unpredictability factor is something to consider.
 
All I hear about from the pro-Conor crowd is that Conor is going to use a multitude of unfamiliar and unorthodox movements that will confuse Mayweather enough that Conor can land. Can anyone point to any specifics?

As in, are there any specific movements or ways to throw punches or feints to set them up that you think would help Conor offensively more than it leaves him open defensively?

I've only seen a little bit of this "awkwardness" and most of it doesn't look too conducive.

Take this movement for example. As I wrote elsewhere, this head movement looks bad. His head is way too forward, his elbows flare out, and he backsteps with his front foot first instead of his back foot, leaving him square. L
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This, I have no idea how it's supposed to work in a fight. Has anyone ever seen it done it before? Is it just an exercise?

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People try comparing Conor to Maidana, but as I wrote earlier:

You have to know the rules in order to break them. In order to throw a boxer off with unconventional moves, you first have to know what they expect, and then subvert that expectation. People cite Maidana giving Floyd trouble or unconventional boxers like Roy, but the difference is they learned how to box correctly first (or at least conventionally), then added in what they found success with that bent the rules. In fact Maidana actually got better the more conventional he became under Garcia, at least on the outside. But in any case, it's after many many rounds against elite boxers. Knowing what they fall for, knowing what traps work most often, being able to follow their eyes and what feints they fall for, etc.

Otherwise you're not being unconventional, you're just being weird. Weird is not enough. If you put a fencer in there with Floyd, he's going to be weird, but it's not going to be successful. Put a street brawler in there, same thing. A Wing Chun specialist, same thing. Boxing techniques exist as they do because they work best for their own rule set. McGregor isn't going to discover a magical system-breaking anomaly that centuries of formalized participation and innovation didn't pioneer.

Conor may well come out awkward and give Floyd a little bit pause, but Floyd understands enough of the body mechanics in boxing that he'll see where the weight is distributed, see where the head/body is unprotected, and zero in on it time and time again. Just because it's weird doesn't mean its good. So far people are only using the concept and not giving any technical reason for how these movements should work in a boxing match at all.


A few breakdowns that show why you can't compare Maidana's boxing-based unorthodoxy to the awkwardness that comes from unfamiliarity:




So tell me, do people actually have any sense of what these unconventional awkward non-boxing movements that will throw Floyd off are supposed to be, or is it a hollow hypothesis based on wishful thinking?


It is Broscience, at its highest level. It is the idea that you can hack anything and make it better. The idea behind it is reasonable (we all want to do things better), but it is particularly annoying when guys like Conor's team, want to promote it as the new, best thing.

Conor's team is full of Broscience Ph.D's. Touch-butt is a prime example, inventing some novel thing called "movement". Never heard of it before.

Then you have his side-parting fraternity bros and boxing coaches Kavanaugh and Roddy. They have a combined 0-0 record as coaches in boxing AFAIK.

The other thing I find funny (that you point out), is how they say Floyd will have to adjust to Conor's unconventional style. But they don't seem to give anything to Conor having to adjust to fighting Floyd f'n Mayweather in a boxing ring. No adjustment period there at all.
 
Hurt durr, no one would ever say anything that was in any way dishonest or disingenuous in favour of a colleague/employer.

"What's that, Dean Lister? James Toney almost submitted you? Say whaaaat? What's that, King Mo? Toney did submit you? Dayuuuuuuuum, gold belt confirmed y'all!"
 


Joe Cortez, refereed 200+ title fights, boxed himself with some success, says Mayweather will be surprised by all the different angles of Conor.

But I'm sure TS knows better than Joe Cortez.



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If anyone bothered to listen to this


Cortez said it was a back and forth battle
 
You're just going to try and rationalize anything you hear that goes against your pet theory.

Him "biting the hand that fed him" has nothing to do with anything. People like you apparently have no concept of staying silent or saying things that are true AND positive. If Cortez says Conor will show Floyd angles he's never seen, then that's what he means. He has no reason to say that if he doesn't mean it. It's a specific thing to say and he wasn't forced into saying it by the interviewer asking "will Conor show Floyd some mad angles?" He went down that path himself.

Sure, he might move weirdly. That's all I got from this. Any fluff on top is Cortez being nice to the man he just helped and was hired to instruct. Do you know of any angles Conor has used in his combat sports career you can point to? Nothing worked on in 1 camp will mean jack shit.

I'll play along, even though I think Conor doesn't stand a chance.

He's a fresh face, that Floyd really doesn't have a lot to go on, as far as preparation goes. Conor could possibly throw off Floyd's timing and rhythm, by simply not being the traditional boxer Floyd is used to. Floyd is going in a bit blind as to what to expect from Conor. If Conor goes in there bouncing around in his MMA stance, it could give Floyd some problems that he'll have to adjust to.

I highly, HIGHLY doubt Floyd will have any problems, but the unpredictability factor is something to consider.

Yeah this is the theory, I'm trying to see if anyone with intimate knowledge of McGregor can point to actual moves he's used before. So far all I got was some bouncing. Like what unconventional punches or feints does he use in MMA that will translate? That's the question I'm after. Anything particular.
 
The other thing I find funny (that you point out), is how they say Floyd will have to adjust to Conor's unconventional style. But they don't seem to give anything to Conor having to adjust to fighting Floyd f'n Mayweather in a boxing ring. No adjustment period there at all.

Yeah this is huge. How is Connor going to block Floyd's lead right? How is he going to cut the ring off? How does he plan to stop Floyd's jab? Connor's guard seems generally very deficient and I think he'll be quite open. There are 3 layers of defense; your feet (distance), your guard,and your head movement. Conor only seems to use his feet and Floyd will probably have him beat there.
 
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