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Catalan referendum: 'Hundreds hurt' as police try to stop voters

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Catalan emergency officials say 761 people have been injured as police used force to try to block voting in Catalonia's independence referendum.

The Spanish government had pledged to stop a poll that was declared illegal by the country's constitutional court.

Police officers prevented some people from voting, and seized ballot papers and boxes at polling stations.

In the regional capital Barcelona, police used batons and fired rubber bullets during pro-referendum protests.

The deadline for voting was 20:00 local time (18:00 GMT), but a Catalan government spokesman said that anyone in the queue at that time would be allowed to vote.

Speaking soon after the deadline, Spanish Prime Minister Mariano Rajoy said he did not acknowledge the vote, adding that Catalans had been fooled into taking part in an illegal vote.

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The Spanish interior ministry said 12 police officers had been hurt and three people arrested. It added that 92 polling stations had been closed.

The national police and Guardia Civil - a paramilitary force charged with police duties - were sent into Catalonia in large numbers to prevent the vote from taking place.

  • Barcelona's Mayor Ada Colau condemned police actions against what she called the region's "defenceless" population
  • Spain's Deputy Prime Minister Soraya Saenz de Santamaria said police had "acted with professionalism and in a proportionate way"
  • Jordi Turull, the spokesman for the Catalonia regional government, described the actions of the Spanish state as "the shame of Europe"
  • The Guardia Civil said it was "resisting harassment and provocation" while carrying out its duties "in defence of the law"
One voter, Júlia Graell, told the BBC that "police started to kick people, young and old", adding: "Today, I have seen the worst actions that a government can do to the people of its own country."

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Voters attempt to stop police seizing ballots. Some shouted: "We will vote! We are peaceful people"


In Girona, riot police smashed their way into a polling station where Mr Puigdemont was due to vote, and forcibly removed those looking to place their ballots. Mr Puigdemont was able to vote at another polling station.

The BBC's Tom Burridge, in Barcelona, witnessed police being chased away from one polling booth after they had raided it.

Since Friday, thousands of people have occupied schools and other buildings designated as polling stations in order to keep them open.

Many of those inside were parents and their children, who remained in the buildings after the end of lessons on Friday and bedded down in sleeping bags on gym mats.

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This woman suffered a head injury in Barcelona


In some areas, farmers positioned tractors on roads and in front of polling station doors, and school gates were taken away to make it harder for the authorities to seal buildings off. Firefighters have acted as human shields between police and demonstrators.

Referendum organisers had called for peaceful resistance to any police action.

Meanwhile, FC Barcelona's match against Las Palmas was played behind closed doors , after Barcelona said the football league refused to suspend the game.

Why the tension over the vote?

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Police use batons on a crowd



Catalonia, a wealthy region of 7.5 million people in north-eastern Spain, has its own language and culture.

It also has a high degree of autonomy, but is not recognised as a separate nation under the Spanish constitution.

Pressure for a vote on self-determination has grown over the past five years.

But Spanish unionists argue Catalonia already enjoys broad autonomy within Spain, along with other regions like the Basque Country and Galicia.

Mr Rajoy says the vote goes against the constitution , which refers to "the indissoluble unity of the Spanish nation, the common and indivisible homeland of all Spaniards".

Central government spokesman Iñigo Mendez de Vigo accused the Catalan government of being inflexible and one-sided, but it is a charge that Catalan nationalists have thrown back at Madrid itself.

The Spanish government put policing in Catalonia under central control and ordered the regional force, the Mossos d'Esquadra, to help enforce the ban on the illegal referendum.

Before the poll, Spanish authorities seized voting materials, imposed fines on top Catalan officials and temporarily detained dozens of politicians.

Police have also occupied the regional government's telecommunications centre.

Spain's interior minister said the computer system preventing people from voting twice was no longer working. On top of that, any result would not be legally binding, as the poll had been blocked by the Constitutional Court.

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-41461032
 
Madrid is reacting poorly, however the catalonians reasons for indepedency are mostly emotional
I hope you're not one of those "mah tax dollars" guys, because Catalans have been pissed for years about their taxes being spent to balance the budget of the shithole central and southern Spanish provinces, and pay for the unemployment benefits of all those lazy fucks over there.
 
Spain has gone Full Franco. If the referendum was illegal, let the people have it anyway and then tell them the result doesn't count. By sending in the heavy mob - over 700 injured is not a "proportional response" you stupid bitch - they've inflamed a situation they could easily have allowed to die a natural death from disinterest.

It's not that long ago that Spain finally brought an end to a dirty, bloody war against ETA that lasted for decades and cost hundreds of lives. The actions of the Spanish government in Catalonia might well kick start another cycle of violence. History has shown that if you deny people even the semblence of democratic process, they will eventually seek other means of redress.
 
Ironic how euro forces pretend they can't put a finger on third world invaders commit riot and chaos, yet it's ok use violence on normal peoples (and firefighters LOL) wanting to express a political vote

Globalism crap showing it's true colors

Glad Madrid has been that dumb, now even indifferent catalonians will feel more pro-indipendence

Spain must protect its sovereign interests

EU states have no sovereignity to protect, they're just allowed to do what EU approve
 
Ironic how euro forces pretend they can't put a finger on third world invaders commit riot and chaos, yet it's ok use violence on normal peoples (and firefighters LOL) wanting to express a political vote

Globalism crap showing it's true colors

Glad Madrid has been that dumb, now even indifferent catalonians will feel more pro-indipendence



EU states have no sovereignity to protect, they're just allowed to do what EU approve

Can you imagine if this vote had been a informal referendum on imposing sharia law on a local town and the police came. The cops would all be in jail and the commisioner deposed with cries of Islamophobia
 
Can you imagine if this vote had been a informal referendum on imposing sharia law on a local town and the police came. The cops would all be in jail and the commisioner deposed with cries of Islamophobia

In that case they will pretend it's a "delicate situation" and go full cucks

Difference is invaders will not even go for a referendum, will just open sharia tribunals like in UK and that will become the law in areas filled by them
 
not gonna happen


if Catalonians get independence the Basque people will demand independence as well. after that, who knows.
we tried something a little more drastic here...
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a few years ago, it was decided it wasn't working and that it was a better strategy to proceed just by political means. now there's discussion about trying something similar to what the Catalans are doing.

but yeh, I remember when I was a kid in the 1990s, there was some serious shit going on: bombings, shootings, massive riots, people from both sides getting kidnapped (or "arrested" in the case of the police) and their corpses showing up in the forest...
 
The catalonians separation isnt comparable to other examples people have used in these threads. They arent genetically much diferent than some random spaniard walking around any part of spain . Their culture while having some unique elements again isnt any more different than the other regions of spain are from each other. The most strikingly unique thing about them is the language and even then its a romance based language with a heavily similarity to peninsular Spanish

When you factor in their region was originally united to Spain via non violent means and more than half of the people polled in the are want to stay with Spain it cements the separatist movement as i plainly said bullshit. there's impassioned Galicians and southerners and on and on who fancy seeing their little cultural region as their own separate country. The Catalonian separatist are no different Breaking the country up as it was pre unification does no one any favors.


Rather than accusing me of siding with the majority which is rather odd I would suggest that some people blindly side with the nationalist movement out of some sense of romanticism and wrongly comparing it to other separatist movements that don't fit.

Also on side note, when it comes to separatist movements regardless of their merits, Its advocates need to be more wary of their politicians playing on their passion for separation as is the case i felt some were doing with the Scots and their independence flare up.

So what you are basically saying is that Catalan culture, as a distinct culture from Spanish culture, is insignificant , and therefore does not warrant an independence movement ?
 
Could this have been handled any worse?
 
No idea what Spain is doing. Horrible reaction. Should have let them have a vote and then just ignore it. They are building a growing resistance with this heavy handed response.
 
I think Madrid had just single-handedly doubled the Pro-Independence voter demographic in Catalonia today.

So foolishly handled. Catalans should have been offered negotiations about true autonomy and fairer financial burden. Compare this to how the Scotland issue was handled.
 
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