China will 'compel' Saudi Arabia to trade oil in yuan — and that's going to affect the US dollar

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China will 'compel' Saudi Arabia to trade oil in yuan — and that's going to affect the US dollar

https://www.cnbc.com/2017/10/11/china-will-compel-saudi-arabia-to-trade-oil-in-yuan--and-thats-going-to-affect-the-us-dollar.html


China will "compel" Saudi Arabia to trade oil in yuan and, when this happens, the rest of the oil market will follow suit and abandon the U.S. dollar as the world's reserve currency, a leading economist told CNBC on Monday.

Carl Weinberg, chief economist and managing director at High Frequency Economics, said Beijing stands to become the most dominant global player in oil demand since China usurped the U.S. as the "biggest oil importer on the planet."

Saudi Arabia has "to pay attention to this because even as much as one or two years from now, Chinese demand will dwarf U.S. demand," Weinberg said.


"I believe that yuan pricing of oil is coming and as soon as the Saudis move to accept it — as the Chinese will compel them to do — then the rest of the oil market will move along with them."

Crux of the petrodollar
In recent years, several nations opposed to the dollar being the world's reserve currency have progressively sought to try and abandon it.

For instance, Russia and China have sought to operate in a non-dollar environment when trading oil. Both countries have also increased their efforts to mine and acquire physical gold if, or perhaps when, the dollar collapses.

OPEC kingpin Saudi Arabia is at the crux of the petrodollar.


Lintao Zhang | Pool | Getty Images

Chinese President Xi Jinping (R) shake hands with Saudi Arabia's King Salman bin Abdulaziz Al Saud during a signing ceremony at the Great Hall of the People on March 16, 2017 in Beijing, China.


Since a 1974 agreement between U.S. President Richard Nixon and Saudi King Faisal, Saudi Arabia has accepted payments for nearly all of its oil exports in dollars. However, as China imports more and more oil from countries across the world, the idea of having to purchase that same oil in dollars has become increasingly irritable to Beijing.

In recent years, China has sought to ratchet up the pressure on Saudi Arabia over the form of currency in which their oil trade is conducted, with Riyadh now enjoying less and less oil purchases from Beijing.

What does it mean for the dollar?
When asked what it could mean for the dollar should the oil market move oil trade out of the U.S. currency and into the yuan, Weinberg said the world's transaction currency would suffer "lesser demand for U.S. securities across the board."

"Moving oil trade out of dollars into yuan will take right now between $600 billion and $800 billion worth of transactions out of the dollar… (That) means a stronger demand for things in China, whether it's securities or whether it's goods and services. It is a growth plus for China and that's why they want this to happen."

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Interesting take.

Given how this similar scenario turned out for Saddam and Gaddafi, I don't think the Kingdom will turn its back on the dollar anytime soon, but it is a possibility given China's higher demand for oil.
 
All the more reason to get out of head on Renewables in my opinion
 
While very slowly, oil is a dying industry. Let the Chinese be the Saudis daddy.

Oh and perhaps soon we can officially label SA as the true #1 state sponsor of terror.
 
Better buy more Saudi Oil Dammit!!!!!1!

If you ain't rollin' coal you don't love America!

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Yuan will never amount to a world currency unless China allows it to float, nobody wants to be holding the hot potato when the Chinese finally decide to float it and it goes crashing down.
 
All the more reason to get out of head on Renewables in my opinion

The thing is, the lower demand for oil is what has emboldened the Chinese to put pressure on Saudis to drop the dollar. They are the #1 consumer now, and that gives them bargaining power. Whether US still needs oil or not, majority of the world will be dependent on it. Losing the petrodollar would not be good for America.
 
The thing is, the lower demand for oil is what has emboldened the Chinese to put pressure on Saudis to drop the dollar. They are the #1 consumer now, and that gives them bargaining power. Whether US still needs oil or not, majority of the world will be dependent on it. Losing the petrodollar would not be good for America.
No it wouldn't so it seems like a good idea to reduce not only US Reliance on oil but be a leader on transitioning others as well
 
dont we fuck countries up over this kinda thing? I dont think the saudis want to become enemies the money is the only thing stopping us from being allowed to label them what they are and take the appropriate actions
 
It appears that w/ the new Pipelines approved that we are shifting even more of our Oil trading to Canada, and not the Saudis

lets hope that continues
 
China will 'compel' Saudi Arabia to trade oil in yuan — and that's going to affect the US dollar

https://www.cnbc.com/2017/10/11/china-will-compel-saudi-arabia-to-trade-oil-in-yuan--and-thats-going-to-affect-the-us-dollar.html


China will "compel" Saudi Arabia to trade oil in yuan and, when this happens, the rest of the oil market will follow suit and abandon the U.S. dollar as the world's reserve currency, a leading economist told CNBC on Monday.

Carl Weinberg, chief economist and managing director at High Frequency Economics, said Beijing stands to become the most dominant global player in oil demand since China usurped the U.S. as the "biggest oil importer on the planet."

Saudi Arabia has "to pay attention to this because even as much as one or two years from now, Chinese demand will dwarf U.S. demand," Weinberg said.


"I believe that yuan pricing of oil is coming and as soon as the Saudis move to accept it — as the Chinese will compel them to do — then the rest of the oil market will move along with them."

Crux of the petrodollar
In recent years, several nations opposed to the dollar being the world's reserve currency have progressively sought to try and abandon it.

For instance, Russia and China have sought to operate in a non-dollar environment when trading oil. Both countries have also increased their efforts to mine and acquire physical gold if, or perhaps when, the dollar collapses.

OPEC kingpin Saudi Arabia is at the crux of the petrodollar.


Lintao Zhang | Pool | Getty Images

Chinese President Xi Jinping (R) shake hands with Saudi Arabia's King Salman bin Abdulaziz Al Saud during a signing ceremony at the Great Hall of the People on March 16, 2017 in Beijing, China.


Since a 1974 agreement between U.S. President Richard Nixon and Saudi King Faisal, Saudi Arabia has accepted payments for nearly all of its oil exports in dollars. However, as China imports more and more oil from countries across the world, the idea of having to purchase that same oil in dollars has become increasingly irritable to Beijing.

In recent years, China has sought to ratchet up the pressure on Saudi Arabia over the form of currency in which their oil trade is conducted, with Riyadh now enjoying less and less oil purchases from Beijing.

What does it mean for the dollar?
When asked what it could mean for the dollar should the oil market move oil trade out of the U.S. currency and into the yuan, Weinberg said the world's transaction currency would suffer "lesser demand for U.S. securities across the board."

"Moving oil trade out of dollars into yuan will take right now between $600 billion and $800 billion worth of transactions out of the dollar… (That) means a stronger demand for things in China, whether it's securities or whether it's goods and services. It is a growth plus for China and that's why they want this to happen."

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Interesting take.

Given how this similar scenario turned out for Saddam and Gaddafi, I don't think the Kingdom will turn its back on the dollar anytime soon, but it is a possibility given China's higher demand for oil.

One of many reasons I think WWIII is coming.
 
dont we fuck countries up over this kinda thing? I dont think the saudis want to become enemies the money is the only thing stopping us from being allowed to label them what they are and take the appropriate actions

Yes, but what the economist here is saying, is that China's ability to 'fuck countries up' is about to surpass ours.

It is amazing to me that China's silk and ice road is the number 1 issue that will shape the next century. While we gut our country, and refuse to build infastructure, China is pushing our shit in.

Unfortunately, trump left his trade stick on the campaign trail.
 
that will give us a great excuse to bomb the shit out of saudi arabia... this world needs an aggressive angry america
 
I'm sure China will try. When they do expect a few "unexplainable" explosions to occur in their country.
 
Yes, but what the economist here is saying, is that China's ability to 'fuck countries up' is about to surpass ours.

It is amazing to me that China's silk and ice road is the number 1 issue that will shape the next century. While we gut our country, and refuse to build infastructure, China is pushing our shit in.

Unfortunately, trump left his trade stick on the campaign trail.

Trump is close to fucking up NAFTA so i dont think he left it in the campaign trail, he also cancelled the TPP.
 
One of many reasons I think WWIII is coming.

There are a couple more signs. Not sure if you caught this one yet:

https://mobile.nytimes.com/reuters/2017/10/10/world/europe/10reuters-serbia-turkey.html

Erdogan just finished a round of trips that included Moscow and Belgrade. Now that ISIS is defeated in Syria and the Qatar/Syria/Europe pipeline isnt going to happen, Russia and Turkey ar planning to build their own pipeline, and run it up through the Balkans into Europe.

Given the current double standard of EU not recognizing the Catalonia referendum, Serbia will most likely take Kosovo back with blessing of Russia and Turkey.

I think this will be blocked either with a war in the Balkans, or a formation of Kurdistan. Despite ISIS' defeat in Syria, the war for that location is far from over and could trigger a far bigger war.
 
I'm sure China will try. When they do expect a few "unexplainable" explosions to occur in their country.

Already happening. "ISIS" AKA "unconventional forces" has been attacking construction of China's silk road.
 
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