CNN - What's the "Alt Left"? Experts say it's 'made-up term'

PrinceOfPain said:
You were talking about the alt left. Now you're talking about the alt right.
The alt right certainly seems to have become the conservative mainstream, but the "alt left" are still the alternative on the left, and neither appears to represent mainstream America.
In reality, you just proved my point that you don't know what words mean.
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And back here in reality the alt left is up about 100 to 1 when it come mass displays of violence and bigotry.
 
lalaland said:
You people are dumb as shit. The berlin wall used to be called the "Antifaschistischer Schutzwall" meaning "Anti-fascist wall of protection". Protection against fascists! Who could possibly be opposed to such a thing? This is how the left operates. They use positive terms to cover their extremism and then mouth breathers like you go "what's wrong with social justice/anti-fascism/unicorns and puppies, man"?
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I think you're confusing anti-fascism with examples where it was misused under its own banner

Historically, fascist governments have had a terrible track record with human rights abuses, discriminatory economic practices, suspension of civil liberties, government-enforced genetic/racial/ideological discrimination, name your category. To oppose fascist governments has, historically, had less to do with opposing a type of governing structure and far more to do with opposing well-documented abuses of power within its application.

The Berlin Wall was not an earnest anti-fascist initiative; it merely claimed to be, in order to put a positive spin on its restrictions and justify its existence

To oppose fascism should historically reflect a healthy protest against abuse in governing structures. The ideological position shouldn't lose value over someone/something who abuses that label in perpetrating a crime

If your Catholic neighbor builds weird wall across Berlin and shoots kids that play near it, you don't need to brand all Catholics with a bad name
 
BAM said:
antifa is a latte-sipping bitch ass version of the German Reds with a bunch of 20 year old sjw liberal arts waifs running around in ski masks. fuck em.

and any new term is made up until it finds momentum in the vernacular. "Alt left" will gain traction.

that said, I get the vibe this is a strategic choice by Trump to create a false equivalency between his neo-nazi and ultra-right national support and these dorks to mitigate the political damage he gets from not publicly denouncing the alt-right.
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God help us, this is our admin in training
 
Falsedawn said:
Hey apologists, your "it means different things to different people" argument is absolute shit. You laid with dogs and got fleas, and now you want us to tell you having fleas is ok. Naaaaaah, gonna call a spade a spade
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This is stupid. Of course vague catch all internet political terms with no hard definition mean different things to different people. The alt right, like the alt left, is an amalgam of very diverse attitudes and policy stances. There's no doubt in my mind that you can find anti-semitism there and anti black attitudes, but one doesn't have to dig very deeply to find rampant antisemitism on the alt left either.

And you think that the mainstream right caught racist cooties from the far right simply by refusing to paint with a broad brush? Where is your head?

You are enforcing the most poetically damaging definition possible on the broadest amount of your ideological opponents possible whether not it fits or is appropriate. It's that kind of cynicism that underlies so much of what is unhealthy in our political sphere today.
 
D3THRONED said:
I miss real liberals who actually would have an intellectual conversation with you. Pushing more people to the right everyday lol.
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Most of them don't have the training for it anymore. Colleges don't teach critical thinking; they teach using your opponents identity as a means of guilting them into silence. Almost eveyrtime I see white privilege invoked,a white person is being invited to stop talking, writing, or thinking. And this is called having a conversation about race.


Course, some of us on the right could sharpen up a bit as well.
 
ben236 said:
So the typical left-wing ideology is anti-white, anti-male, and anti-nationalist?
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It isn't. The typical left winger is not anti-male or anti-white. But to the typical right winger they certainly appear to be, because very little effort is made by the center left to distance themselves from that nonsense. The same phenomenon can be seen in reverse, where the center right isn't anti-woman, or anti-black, or pro-white supremacy, or anti-poor, but to the center left it can reasonably seem as if they are.

So some ultra right dickhead murders someone in Charlottesville and the center let gaps and thinks "He represents the mindset of tens of million of people". Meanwhile, 6 cops are shot in the next week in ambushes and Antifa puts a CBS journalist into the hospital as part of their fight against whatever they perceive as fascism, and the center right thinks "Oh no, these masked thugs represent the thinking of tens of millions of people."

From where I stand, both sides are drawing egregiously wrong conclusions, but they are very easy to draw.
 
IngaVovchanchyn said:
It isn't. The typical left winger is not anti-male or anti-white. But to the typical right winger they certainly appear to be, because very little effort is made by the center left to distance themselves from that nonsense. The same phenomenon can be seen in reverse, where the center right isn't anti-woman, or anti-black, or pro-white supremacy, or anti-poor, but to the center left it can reasonably seem as if they are.

So some ultra right dickhead murders someone in Charlottesville and the center let gaps and thinks "He represents the mindset of tens of million of people". Meanwhile, 6 cops are shot in the next week in ambushes and Antifa puts a CBS journalist into the hospital as part of their fight against whatever they perceive as fascism, and the center right thinks "Oh no, these masked thugs represent the thinking of tens of millions of people."

From where I stand, both sides are drawing egregiously wrong conclusions, but they are very easy to draw.
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I agree, projection is rampant in far too many popular views of ideology. All socialism is like ____ all social conservativism is like _____ all liberal economics are like ______

It's like no one remembers what hyperbole looks or sounds like
 
Edison Carasio said:
The real heart of the problem is that hardcore conservatives have been beating up liberals, hippies, pacifists, punks, minorities, flag burners and LGBT people for DECADES now. They are upset that the people they have been calling limp wristed, sissies, p***ies, and a variety of homophobic slurs are willing to fight back. Violence doesn't fix problems but Emperor Trump encouraging the violence was the final straw for these "antifa" people that pushed them to fight.
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A lot of Antifa are just violent Commie college kids, hardly disgruntled hippies from decades ago. And they gang-up to beat people with bats and throw bottles of piss and acid. They're definitely pussies.
 
Rational Poster said:
It's a concerted effort by the right wing nationalists and supremacists to create a false equivalency.

I mean you don't have to dig very far in their forums to see their tactics and strategy.
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I mean it's not like this happened ... it's not like smashing someone hard in the head with a metal object could harm anyone ... nothing to see here.

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IngaVovchanchyn said:
It isn't. The typical left winger is not anti-male or anti-white. But to the typical right winger they certainly appear to be, because very little effort is made by the center left to distance themselves from that nonsense. The same phenomenon can be seen in reverse, where the center right isn't anti-woman, or anti-black, or pro-white supremacy, or anti-poor, but to the center left it can reasonably seem as if they are.
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That's BS. Mainstream conservatives condemn the far-right. Mainstream progs will not even criticise antifa. On the contrary, they defend the far-left and literally compare them to american WW2 soldiers. Intolerance against movements from the right and toleration of movements from the left is the norm.
 
IngaVovchanchyn said:
It isn't. The typical left winger is not anti-male or anti-white. But to the typical right winger they certainly appear to be, because very little effort is made by the center left to distance themselves from that nonsense.
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I agree that the left does very little to oppose or even distance themselves from these groups. The biggest example of this is their refusal to even acknowledge the term "alt-left" and deny that there is even such a thing.

If I were center-left, I would think that I would be happy that the term "alt-left" was coined, because it would give me a way to distance myself from the lunatic-fringe of the party. But instead of embracing the term, they refer to it as made up, and respond to those who use it with a sense of dismissal or anger. The center left were given an opportunity to distance themselves from a group of racists, sexists and commies but refuse to take it, and I frankly have no idea why.
 
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The alt right needs to act like anyone who opposes their lunacy must be crazy. Therefore they make these terms up to discredit those who dont want to put up with their bs
 
ben236 said:
I agree that the left does very little to oppose or even distance themselves from these groups. The biggest example of this is their refusal to even acknowledge the term "alt-left" and deny that there is even such a thing.

If I were center-left, I would think that I would be happy that the term "alt-left" was coined, because it would give me a way to distance myself from the lunatic-fringe of the party. But instead of embracing the term, they refer to it as made up, and respond to those who use it with a sense of dismissal or anger. It's pretty clear that the center-left simply don't want to distance themselves from the lunatic fringe of their party and I frankly don't know why.
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You don't know Why? It's because of decades of radicalization processes beginning to pay off. Leftists want to tear down western civilization. Why on earth would they want what they've been working so hard for to be labeled as alt or radical? What is actually happening is real leftists are being accused of racism and are being dismissed, while radical elements are being normalized. You're just to proud to see the truth.

Truly moderate leftists will be turned against and hated by the mainstream media. By the politicians. By the colleges. There is no moderate left. It's fucking dead.
 
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