1. You can try and paint the Rua fall anyway you want but anybody saw the fight knows it was a fluke.
2. Saku was 185lber at best fighting a hwt.... Kerr is probably the most overrated fighter in history who had a pill problem. Gilbert was handmade to get beat by Igor and Valentin didn't fight Brock that was Alister (Valentine did have a win against Randy). If it also lost to Tre Teligman after the Kerr fight and Heath Herring.
3. And he still wasn't as good as Mir, Carson, Herring and Randy. Those 4 wins are better than anyone Coleman beat.
4. Ok.... but skillwize he wasn't that great.
5. Ok.
First of all I think all of your points are good, and I really do think you are a knowledgeable guy. I hope there are no hard feelings between the two of us, it is just a matter of different opinions.
1. I think many would agree with me that the Rua fight was a legitimate win. Coleman had the skill to get the take down that made Rua fall and extend his arm. It is no different than when Bisbing knocked out Rockhold. Rockhold was beating Bisbing, but Bisbing had the skill to land the punch which knocked Rockhold out, therefore like the Coleman/ Rua fight I do not consider Bisbing's win to be a fluke.
2. True Saku was 185 lbs, but at the time there were no weight classes, and Vovchanchyn was not a big man either, he was only about 205. You are correct about Valentin, I screwed up. I still disagree with you about Igor being a can, prior to his MMA career he was a Champion Kickboxer in Europe, so you can't really say his defense was that bad.
3. I do agree that the skill level when Severn was fighting was not as advanced as it is now, but Severn faced all comers and never ducked anyone. The trouble with MMA in this day and age, is there is one major organization, and other minor ones, unfortunately due to politics, a really good fighter in another organization will never be able to face really good fighters that are signed to the UFC. For example Askren in my opinion is one of the greatest Welterweights, but we will never know how good he really was because he was signed to a different organization. Back in the 90's and early 2000's (pre Dana White), everybody fought everybody. This also leads in to your point about Kerr, I do agree with you that his level of competition was not that great, but at the time he fought and beat most of the people that were put in front of him (during his prime).
4. Again, you are probably right, but you have to take into account, that when Frye was fighting it was the stone ages for MMA, if he had the training methods and the competition that you have today I think he would be very skilled.
*Edited You are right Vovchanchyn was 235, much bigger than Saku, however I still think Vovchanchyn was one of the greats.