Columbus statue covered up in LA, Columbus Day removed and replaced by Indiginous Peoples Day

Should Columbus Day be removed and replaced with Indigenous Peoples Day?


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Columbus can eat shit and burn in hell
 
Call it whatever, keep the holiday. Add a few more holidays while we're at it. We don't have nearly enough of them.
Nah. Just have Black History Month be a month off. Even the White Supremacists will be cheering black people then. The rich can pay for it. You can thank me for solving the race relations problem later.
 
We should get rid of thanksgiving. Squanto and in the natives helped the Pilgrims from starving only to later be driven from their lands.
 
Instead of replacing Columbus day with an indigenous people day.
Why not scrap the holiday, everyone goes to work and the state, business and private people donate their income from that day to combat some of the issues indigenous people have.
I guess there are plenty of those.

They can have casinos. Much better to let them help themselves, instead of giving them help.
 
He found an entirely new land mass (unknown to europeans at the time). This would in turn lead to numerous other expeditions which completely changed the course of history. The Spanish conquest of central and south america. The silver the spaniards brought from their american colonies changed international trade. The potato, brought from south america lead to a population explosion in europe... and so on.
He didn't found shit. Your sense of history is ignorant.
About 2/3 of my post reek of that. That's how my preferred mode of communication. I notice you and Homer aren't rushing to answer the question though? Some have and done a pretty solid job of it, but not you two... Oh, I wonder why, I wonder why...


Yep, you're pointing out some of the good reasons I was hinting at before for getting rid of Columbus day. I didn't ask the question of "Why get rid of Columbus Day" because I consider there to be many obvious reasons why we should get rid of it. What I asked was "Why Indigenous Peoples' Day?" because I want to know what we're celebrating.

So is that your take on it? We're celebrating the colonization of the Americas by the Indigenous Peoples? That's what the people wanting this holiday to be put in are saying? Is celebrating colonizers who kept slaves becoming a thing again? Human sacrifice - all good? Is our general societal concern for the evils of a culture being waived in this case so we can celebrate the original colonization? I do hope that as we're doing this, we don't white wash the history of these colonizers and recognize that they were a bunch of dicks themselves doing horrible, abhorrent things to each other, and we openly include that in our discussion about their accomplishments - like we do with other groups throughout history.
Just because you don't know anything about Native American figures, history, or culture, doesn't mean we can't give them a day. Hispanics get a whole month, and the only difference there is they have Spanish blood/language. You realize that when a culture loses 90% of its population to plague, and then is the target of a genocide that continued until until 1918, not even a century ago, there's not going to be an accurate depiction of the people and their contributions? There are still Native Americans, and they still are contributing to society whether you agree or not. They serve in the US military at statistically higher rates than any other group of people, can we not at least respect that with a single day? The reason people like you ask what Native Americans have ever done, is because people like you immediately dismiss them as "dirt munching" savages, and not a living breathing culture that is still evolving with the rest of the world.
 
So is that your take on it?

I find it weird that Americans celebrate it, you say people celebrate achievements, but people usually celebrate achievements that are closer to them. So why are Americans celebrating Columbus day?

Take into the account that it is indeed a day that its celebrated in Mexico and a lot of hispanic nations, but it kinda has some relevance to us.

Columbus may had been born in Italy but the expedition was Spanish, with an Spanish crew and it was a spanish commandeered ship the one that saw the islands.

Also its called "day of the race" and it celebrates the Discovery of America, not Columbus.
 
He found an entirely new land mass (unknown to europeans at the time). This would in turn lead to numerous other expeditions which completely changed the course of history. The Spanish conquest of central and south america. The silver the spaniards brought from their american colonies changed international trade. The potato, brought from south america lead to a population explosion in europe... and so on.

He found the landmass by chance, and he only got to do that trip because of the Portuguese seafaring. Also the Portuguese found Brazil on their own in 1500, so they were merely 8 years behind Columbus.

If you want to credit people for changing the world then credit the Portuguese who started sailing the Atlantic.
 
They can have casinos. Much better to let them help themselves, instead of giving them help.
Fuck those casinos. I was in my tribe's Casino last week and couldn't hold back tears when I made it back to the car. We fought for and defended one of the most beautiful and resource heavy areas in America, and we're reduced to that fucking smokey room full of lights and addicts, whether it be to alcohol, nicotine, or gambling, as the logging companies bought up the land and bullied their way to control of the resources that my people lived on since the day we first saw the wild rice on the great lake while following the Seven Fires.
 
Fuck those casinos. I was in my tribe's Casino last week and couldn't hold back tears when I made it back to the car. We fought for and defended one of the most beautiful and resource heavy areas in America, and we're reduced to that fucking smokey room full of lights and addicts, whether it be to alcohol, nicotine, or gambling, as the logging companies bought up the land and bullied their way to control of the resources that my people lived on since the day we first saw the wild rice on the great lake while following the Seven Fires.

You can use casino money to finance other streams of income now. You have to branch out and diversify.
 
You can use casino money to finance other streams of income now. You have to branch out and diversify.
It's a crutch, a backwards bandaid like Affirmative Action that does more harm than good.
 
Fuck those casinos. I was in my tribe's Casino last week and couldn't hold back tears when I made it back to the car. We fought for and defended one of the most beautiful and resource heavy areas in America, and we're reduced to that fucking smokey room full of lights and addicts, whether it be to alcohol, nicotine, or gambling, as the logging companies bought up the land and bullied their way to control of the resources that my people lived on since the day we first saw the wild rice on the great lake while following the Seven Fires.
What tribe or tribes are your family members from?
 
He found the landmass by chance, and he only got to do that trip because of the Portuguese seafaring. Also the Portuguese found Brazil on their own in 1500, so they were merely 8 years behind Columbus.

If you want to credit people for changing the world then credit the Portuguese who started sailing the Atlantic.

He was trying to find a new route to India and instead found a new landmass. You're talking about his intentions instead of what was achieved. His expedition was founded by the Spanish crown... so I guess you could credit that for his discovery too.

Yuri Gagarin was the first human in space. He didn't build the rocket he flew on and he represented the Soviet Union which was a brutal regime, but you can celebrate the achievement without endorsing the regime can't you?

It means you need to talk less and do more research.

In other words your response meant nothing.
 
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He was trying to find a new route to India and instead found a new landmass. You're talking about his intentions instead of what was achieved. His expedition was founded by the Spanish crown... so I guess you could credit that for his discovery too.

Yuri Gagarin was the first human in space. He didn't build the rocket he flew on and he represented the Soviet Union which was a brutal regime, but you can celebrate the achievement without endorsing the regime can't you?



In other words your response meant nothing.
But again, he didn't. Leif Erikson beat him by 500 years and actually understood that he found a land mass the Europeans were previously unaware of. Leif just didn't act with the ruthlessness and cruelty that Columbus later would against the natives.
 
Fuck Columbus. Next step is eliminating this shit holiday completely. Government employees are already lazy as it is. They don't need more time off.
 
legitimately dont care, im just happy for an excuse not to open the office
 
Columbus Day began as a way of to celebrate Catholic immigration to the US— basically, when it was established as a federal holiday in 1937 under FDR, it was a declaration that Irish and Italians had “made it” in mainstream US culture.
 
He was trying to find a new route to India and instead found a new landmass. You're talking about his intentions instead of what was achieved. His expedition was founded by the Spanish crown... so I guess you could credit that for his discovery too.

Indeed, he was on a suicide mission and everyone knew that.

He was lucky some land was found in-between.

Yuri Gagarin was the first human in space. He didn't build the rocket he flew on and he represented the Soviet Union which was a brutal regime, but you can celebrate the achievement without endorsing the regime can't you?

If they made a holiday out of the moon landing would you call it Neil Armstrong's day?
 
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