Communism was the most evil ideology of the XX century by a long shot.

Nazis were evil to others not to their own people,

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The Nazi's murdered their dissidents in mass.

How can that not be evil against their own people?

You should read my post again.


You quoted me there like Fake News would. ;)

Yeah who needs women doctors, teachers or scientists?

The role of women is housewives or prostitutes

I did not say anything about prostitutes. But yeah women should not be involved in politics, unless it is symbolic like a Queen or something.


Yeah all those serfs were getting their phds n had amazing medical care

Well those serfs never got their PHDs and medical care under Soviets either, because they were dead. ;)

On paper...

If you’re a nationalist ahole it’s another thing.

It’s still better than getting slaughtered for your religion or hanged cause of the colour of your skin

That is close to 50% of euro population

Being killed for your political opinion > being killed for who you are n your ethnicity

Soviets literally slaughtered people because of their religion, and killing people because of the color of their skin is not better or worse than killing people because of their sosial class. Same shit.

I’m sure you would change your tune if you were shipped to a concentration camp n “evil” communists saved your ass

Some of my ancestors were literally "evil communists" and they got shipped to Gulag. So...

btw Homosovieticus is not the same as Russian, just saying
 
Mao was an incompetent boob who woefully mismanaged the Chinese economy, but no one (no one) has ever estimated that 78 million people died during the Cultural Revolution (lol), let alone that he (i.e. the Chinese government themselves) carried out the killings.

Numbers vary depending on the source. From 16,997,000 to 70,000,000.

"In Mao: The Unknown Story, Jung Chang and Jon Halliday claim that as many as 3 million people died in the violence of the Cultural Revolution. The Holocaust memorial museum puts the death toll between 5 and 10 million. The true figure of those who were persecuted or died during the Cultural Revolution however may never be known, since many deaths went unreported or were actively covered up by the police or local authorities. The state of Chinese demographics records at the time was also very poor, and the PRC has been hesitant to allow formal research into the period."

"Critics of Mao Zedong have argued Mao's China saw unprecedented losses of human life through inhuman economic policies such as the Great Leap Forward, slave labor through the Laogai, violent political purges such as the Cultural Revolution the Campaign to Suppress Counterrevolutionaries, and class extermination through land reform. The estimate of the minimum death toll is the sum of the minimum estimate of famine dead (15 million), land reform dead (800,000), Counterrevolutionaries dead (712,000), and Cultural Revolution dead (400,000) plus the minimum killed in the 1959 Tibetan uprising (85,000 to 87,000)."
 
Numbers vary depending on the source. From 16,997,000 to 70,000,000.

"In Mao: The Unknown Story, Jung Chang and Jon Halliday claim that as many as 3 million people died in the violence of the Cultural Revolution. The Holocaust memorial museum puts the death toll between 5 and 10 million. The true figure of those who were persecuted or died during the Cultural Revolution however may never be known, since many deaths went unreported or were actively covered up by the police or local authorities. The state of Chinese demographics records at the time was also very poor, and the PRC has been hesitant to allow formal research into the period."

"Critics of Mao Zedong have argued Mao's China saw unprecedented losses of human life through inhuman economic policies such as the Great Leap Forward, slave labor through the Laogai, violent political purges such as the Cultural Revolution the Campaign to Suppress Counterrevolutionaries, and class extermination through land reform. The estimate of the minimum death toll is the sum of the minimum estimate of famine dead (15 million), land reform dead (800,000), Counterrevolutionaries dead (712,000), and Cultural Revolution dead (400,000) plus the minimum killed in the 1959 Tibetan uprising (85,000 to 87,000)."

Your own source there says 0.4 to 3 million.

There is no 16-78 million range.
 
TS couldn't be more wrong. Marxism is the root of communism.
 
Not really brah, he was basically an anarchist and wanted proletariat control over government during the transitional phase of eradicating it. But again it was just one guy's outlook and you can separate his good and bad analysis.

From The communist manifesto:

"The immediate aim of the Communists is the same as that of all other proletarian parties: formation of the proletariat into a class, overthrow of the bourgeois supremacy, conquest of political power by the proletariat."

"The distinguishing feature of Communism is not the abolition of property generally, but the abolition of bourgeois property."

Marx would be proud of USSR.

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I'm no fan of Communism, but I have to believe that communists (although ill informed) believe that communism would do the world good. Their intentions are to help people, not to hurt people, even though they inevitably end up hurting people.

Contrast that with the Nazis, who intentionally tried to eradicate an entire people from the Earth. Can't really compare IMO.
 
Islam made the mistake of murdering thousands of Americans.

I kind of take that personal.
 
I'm no fan of Communism, but I have to believe that communists (although ill informed) believe that communism would do the world good. Their intentions are to help people, not to hurt people, even though they inevitably end up hurting people.

Contrast that with the Nazis, who intentionally tried to eradicate an entire people from the Earth. Can't really compare IMO.

It's not like the Nazis ran a political platform saying that they were going to eradicate entire groups of people from the world.

In fact they ran pretty much on the same kind of socialist shilling platform as the Commies did, just replacing "bourgeois" or "kulaks" with Jews, promising people generous levels of welfare.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Socialist_Program#The_25-point_Program_of_the_NSDAP

 
And by communism i mean the soviet, applied variety, not marxist theory.

People cry a lot about Islam and how it is so dangerous, but in reality Islam at most causes people to commit inconsequential acts that dont threaten the entire world, as opposed to communism which caused the world humanitarian disasters of all time. Why do i think its particularly evil? as opposed to say nazism?

Well for once Nazism never hid its intentions and its was a supremacist movement that called for a particular people to expand forever and over others, which of course generated a lot of pushback from other nations.

But communism is the story of Hanzel and Gretel given to a nation, its a system that promises heaven and brings out hell.



"Doesnt matter if we go around naked, doesnt matters if we dont even have anything to eat, what its important is to save the revolution".

That was a speech that Chavez gave over a decade ago, he certainly knew where he was taking the country to.

Does a Trudeau gif with 'hold my beer' work here?
Probably wouldn't be a beer though, maybe something with an umbrella?
 
And by communism i mean the soviet, applied variety, not marxist theory.

Check your premise.

Not only is Marxist theory immoral and evil, Karl Marx himself was an immoral and evil man.

The theory is immoral and evil because it serves as nothing more than an ex post facto justification for those who want to take by force what they themselves would be unable or unwilling to achieve and earn themselves.

Marxism is the philosophy of strong armed robbery. People who advocate for Marxism advocate seizing of the means of production, because their minds couldn't possibly conceive of how to even create these means of production. They seize what they're incapable of creating.

Karl Marx himself was an immoral and evil man, because he spent years talking about exploitation of the working class, and how horrible the bourgeoisie treated their employees, despite all of this, Karl Marx himself kept an unpaid housemaid. She would balance the Marx family books (because Karl was completely unable to do so) among her many other tasks. It was well documented that Karl Marx began having an affair with this unpaid housemaid. Karl Marx was in a documented exploitive sexual relationship with an underling and employee. When this unpaid housemaid was revealed to be pregnant, Karl Marx threw her out into the street.

Karl Marx was in an exploitative sexual relationship with an employee, got her pregnant (his own friends said as much in letters), and then kicked her out into the street, all while lecturing the world about how other people possibly treat their employees bad.

Karl Marx wasn't making political analysis. He was simply projecting his own inmoral and evil behavior on to other people.

Karl Marx was immoral, evil, and a hypocrite.
 
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As a member of the Orthodox Church, let me affirm this to be true. History of violence by communists in Russia right after the revolution through Stalin is insane. It’s hitler level shit, honestly
 
Check your premise.

Not only is Marxist theory immoral and evil, Karl Marx himself was an immoral and evil man.

The theory is immoral and evil because it serves as nothing more than an ex post facto justification for those who want to take by force what they themselves would be unable or unwilling to achieve and earn themselves.

Kind of like drop everything you own, follow me or burn in hell? Marxism is not more evil than other religions.

Applied marxism however...
 
The Nazi's murdered their dissidents in mass.

How can that not be evil against their own people?

Relatively speaking, Nazis looked up to exalt the german race at the cost of others. They didnt commited mass starvations of their "own". And their open declaration of supremacy was like a declaration of war against the others.

Soviets on the other hand promised a candy house, and then proceeded to mass starve people to death.
 
Kind of like drop everything you own, follow me or burn in hell? Marxism is not more evil than other religions.

Applied marxism however...

Applied marxism would just be voluntarism, because all the donations to equalize outcome would all be.... voluntary. Effectively we have to be a completely different species, and or a population with negligible genetic variation among individuals for that to ever happen.
 
Relatively speaking, Nazis looked up to exalt the german race at the cost of others. They didnt commited mass starvations of their "own". And their open declaration of supremacy was like a declaration of war against the others.

Soviets on the other hand promised a candy house, and then proceeded to mass starve people to death.

All right, that's a logic I can follow.

I would type an elaborate disagreement, but it starts to become irrelevant when we can all acknowledge that Commie-Nazi's are not great for anyone.
 
You should read my post again.



You quoted me there like Fake News would. ;)



I did not say anything about prostitutes. But yeah women should not be involved in politics, unless it is symbolic like a Queen or something.




Well those serfs never got their PHDs and medical care under Soviets either, because they were dead. ;)



Soviets literally slaughtered people because of their religion, and killing people because of the color of their skin is not better or worse than killing people because of their sosial class. Same shit.



Some of my ancestors were literally "evil communists" and they got shipped to Gulag. So...

btw Homosovieticus is not the same as Russian, just saying
Unlike most people in here and on this board as a whole, I’ll take the opinion of someone who actually lives in the region being discussed.

Most people just go by ideology or some information they google. But no one knows what’s happening in a certain area unless they are there to experience it.
 
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