Communism was the most evil ideology of the XX century by a long shot.

[BangersAndSmash]

I think Peterson had a great analogy when he compared fascism to the thief that stabs you in the front, and communism to the thief who befriends you and then stabs you in the back. That's what makes communism more predatory, it hides under the cloak of "good intentions".

Spoken by the thief who tells you to clean your room then empties out your wallet.

 

[MadSquabbles500]

The “evils” of communism are blown outta proportion by revisionist history right wingers.

While there are many negative aspects to it, it also did have positive impact on the society

Women rights improved under communism

Poor ppl had access to healthcare n education

Everybody was treated equally

It’s also thanks to communists nazis didn’t take over the world

Ask any “sub human” which system they would prefer?

Its is why many communist movements gained such traction and so many supporters. It promises equality, and meritocracy, and does away with the nepotism, and wealth disparity of the old regime.

Whether or not communism fulfills those promises is more about the people running things than the actual idea behind it. Mao may have been communists, but he went way beyond it too with his policies. Nowhere in Communist manifesto does it state to kill off all the birds causing famine. That is more a chinese style mentality than communism. The chinese have been overreacting for millennia.

 

[Renard]

Spoken by the thief who tells you to clean your room then empties out your wallet.

Emptying my wallet by uploading hundreds of hours of free university lectures. Sure, Jan.

 

[SammyPops]

And by communism i mean the soviet, applied variety, not marxist theory.

People cry a lot about Islam and how it is so dangerous, but in reality Islam at most causes people to commit inconsequential acts that dont threaten the entire world, as opposed to communism which caused the world humanitarian disasters of all time. Why do i think its particularly evil? as opposed to say nazism?

Well for once Nazism never hid its intentions and its was a supremacist movement that called for a particular people to expand forever and over others, which of course generated a lot of pushback from other nations.

But communism is the story of Hanzel and Gretel given to a nation, its a system that promises heaven and brings out hell.



"Doesnt matter if we go around naked, doesnt matters if we dont even have anything to eat, what its important is to save the revolution".

That was a speech that Chavez gave over a decade ago, he certainly knew where he was taking the country to.

did you ever read the Communist Manifesto? I'm guessing not b/c there has never bee a communist nation in history.

 

[Rod1]

did you ever read the Communist Manifesto? I'm guessing not b/c there has never bee a communist nation in history.

Socialist then, no need to nitpick on the exact terminology.

 

[SammyPops]

Socialist then, no need to nitpick on the exact terminology.

The US govts collect taxes and provide services. Is that not socialism?

My point with the communism comment was that attempting to implement communism was evil af in the USSR and other nations.

Communism theory states that a utopia will grow once all the shit is done, but we've enver seen that last stage.

Its like true capitalism. The 1800s were much closer to true capitalism than today's western democracies.

 

[Possum Jenkins]

From The communist manifesto:

"The immediate aim of the Communists is the same as that of all other proletarian parties: formation of the proletariat into a class, overthrow of the bourgeois supremacy, conquest of political power by the proletariat."

"The distinguishing feature of Communism is not the abolition of property generally, but the abolition of bourgeois property."

Marx would be proud of USSR.

No he wouldn't.

The proletariat didn't rule shit in the USSR. The millions of laborers had little to no say in the country's affairs. It was all the vanguard party.

Furthermore, towards the end of his life, Marx wrote about the potential for peasant revolution in Russia (no massive industrialization needed). Of course, this was inconvenient to urban intellectuals like Lenin so it was suppressed.

 

[Rod1]

The US govts collect taxes and provide services. Is that not socialism?

My point with the communism comment was that attempting to implement communism was evil af in the USSR and other nations.

Communism theory states that a utopia will grow once all the shit is done, but we've enver seen that last stage.

Its like true capitalism. The 1800s were much closer to true capitalism than today's western democracies.

Thats why i said ignoring Marxist theory and focusing on applied communism.

Whatever Marx envisioned is eclipsed by what the Soviets did, and they called their system communism.

 

[TheGreatA]

Check your premise.

Not only is Marxist theory immoral and evil, Karl Marx himself was an immoral and evil man.

The theory is immoral and evil because it serves as nothing more than an ex post facto justification for those who want to take by force what they themselves would be unable or unwilling to achieve and earn themselves.

Marxism is the philosophy of strong armed robbery. People who advocate for Marxism advocate seizing of the means of production, because their minds couldn't possibly conceive of how to even create these means of production. They seize what they're incapable of creating.

Karl Marx himself was an immoral and evil man, because he spent years talking about exploitation of the working class, and how horrible the bourgeoisie treated their employees, despite all of this, Karl Marx himself kept an unpaid housemaid. She would balance the Marx family books (because Karl was completely unable to do so) among her many other tasks. It was well documented that Karl Marx began having an affair with this unpaid housemaid. Karl Marx was in a documented exploitive sexual relationship with an underling and employee. When this unpaid housemaid was revealed to be pregnant, Karl Marx threw her out into the street.

Karl Marx was in an exploitative sexual relationship with an employee, got her pregnant (his own friends said as much in letters), and then kicked her out into the street, all while lecturing the world about how other people possibly treat their employees bad.

Karl Marx wasn't making political analysis. He was simply projecting his own inmoral and evil behavior on to other people.

Karl Marx was immoral, evil, and a hypocrite.

Four of his children died due to poor and negligent conditions, and one of them committed suicide.

He grew bitter because of various illnesses, that had developed due to his gluttonous eating habits, smoking, and drinking. He was not exactly loyal to his wife, and is rumoured to have had a son out of wedlock with the woman you referred to.

It's safe to say that Marx was probably not a great human being. Then again, many intellectuals fall quite short of being that.

I think his bitterness and cynical attitude towards life in general, is quite evident from his works, not that it wasn't necessarily warranted during those times. I think communism was an escape route from the reality around him, a utopia that he had created within his own mind.

 

[Possum Jenkins]

Pot is easily the most uniquely evil figure of the 20th century imo. Stalin was a sadistic thug, Mao was an incompetent charlatan nihilist, but Pot was some horrifying hybrid of paranoia, sadism, and genuine delusions of Maoist ideology. It's incredible to me how, still to this day, no one talks about the United States propping him up and supporting Khmer Rouge.

Pol Pot worse than Hitler and Goebbels? I don't think so.

Also, King Leopold of Belgium is highly underrated in these discussions. Few people know about him but I think he's a strong candidate for the Worst Human in History title.

 

[ineverpost]

The bigger the government, the more corrupt and dangerous. It doesn't matter if they claim to be for the greater good or not. The tribal nature of humans will always prevail, it is in the DNA. This country was founded so that smaller communities could govern themselves. We are so far away from that, there is no going back.

 

[Diogenes of Sinope]

It's cool. Because if it fails, it can just make a new account the next day.

EDIT: Also, you don't know what communism is, or what type of government and governmental policy I prefer.

"That wasn't real communism"
"Most people dont understand true communism"

if its so hard to understand, and the risks of getting it wrong is death and economic collapse...

then seems pretty flawed to me, "comrade."

 

[Rusk]

Unlike most people in here and on this board as a whole, I’ll take the opinion of someone who actually lives in the region being discussed.

Most people just go by ideology or some information they google. But no one knows what’s happening in a certain area unless they are there to experience it.

To be fair i don`t live in Russia anymore, but i know my families history in great detail all the way to early 1900s which is rare for a Russian. My family`s history is greatly intertwined with social and political situation in SU so basically i get my information from primary sources unlike most people on sherdog.

I was not the only one who was confused. Could you elaborate?

You understand when Rod types "relatively speaking" but not when i do it eh?

 

[RubberGuard5]

No he wouldn't.

The proletariat didn't rule shit in the USSR. The millions of laborers had little to no say in the country's affairs. It was all the vanguard party.

Furthermore, towards the end of his life, Marx wrote about the potential for peasant revolution in Russia (no massive industrialization needed). Of course, this was inconvenient to urban intellectuals like Lenin so it was suppressed.

From The communist manifesto:

"The proletariat will use its political supremacy to wrest, by degree, all capital from the bourgeoisie, to centralise all instruments of production in the hands of the State, i.e., of the proletariat organised as the ruling class; and to increase the total productive forces as rapidly as possible."

USSR would be heaven for Marx.

 

[Possum Jenkins]

From The communist manifesto:

"The proletariat will use its political supremacy to wrest, by degree, all capital from the bourgeoisie, to centralise all instruments of production in the hands of the State, i.e., of the proletariat organised as the ruling class; and to increase the total productive forces as rapidly as possible."

USSR would be heaven for Marx.

That's right, and the state would be ruled and controlled by the proletariat, not by the vanguard party or any sort of small, elite group. And certainly not by a single autocrat like Stalin.

The Communist Manifesto, just a few lines after what you posted:

When, in the course of development, class distinctions have disappeared, and all production has been concentrated in the hands of a vast association of the whole nation, the public power will lose its political character.

In this regard, the USSR was the complete opposite of what Marx envisioned.

 

[BJJ_Rage]

Capatalism was the most evil ideology, still is, but also much better to the world than communism.

Basically greed is put ahead of people's well being...it doesn't matter how badly you rip off somebody, along as you can do profit.... Look all around the world and you get horrible capitalistic examples, where poor people get the worst of it...from child labor to slavery to cutting corners which leads to people's death..also lets no forget capitalistic corporations ruining countries like United fruit company.....is just a pure "me" mentality ideology.

Now has it benifited the world? Hell yeah...Rapid advancements, more tech/money for parts of the world that have been forgotten.

However the ideology by itself is pure evil.

capitalism isnt an ideology, its an economic system, and it works. Peoples greed is another thing, "Socialist" paradises like Scandinavians have capitalist economies....

 

[BJJ_Rage]

All a matter of perspective. Seemed to me that the major communist revolutions where done to prevent imperialism.

Europe was carving up Africa with little concern for ethics. Japan was invading China. Without industrialization programs who knows if Russia would be a satellite of Germany, and Japan pillaging China.

Massive price to pay, but let's not pretend the commie countries weren't surrounded by hostile neighbors. Lot of it was rather situational. And honestly, a topic that is seldom discussed seriously.

Half of the country was comunist, half was not, which one prevailed? not much to discuss.

Communism gave the world the darkest years, not a single one, NOT ONE communist country was successful.. hell the biggest communist country right now is china, but in reality, china is the wildest capitalist country in the world. Child labor, no free press, super millonaries making their fortune on the backs of the really poor.

 

[BJJ_Rage]

That's right, and the state would be ruled and controlled by the proletariat, not by the vanguard party or any sort of small, elite group. And certainly not by a single autocrat like Stalin.

The Communist Manifesto, just a few lines after what you posted:



In this regard, the USSR was the complete opposite of what Marx envisioned.

that is because its utterly impossible for the human being to carry on the manifesto.

 

[RubberGuard5]

That's right, and the state would be ruled and controlled by the proletariat, not by the vanguard party or any sort of small, elite group. And certainly not by a single autocrat like Stalin.

The Communist Manifesto, just a few lines after what you posted:



In this regard, the USSR was the complete opposite of what Marx envisioned.

Marxist party rule turned to be as autoritharian as Bakunin predicted. Great forsight, that guy had.

 

[IReallyDoTrainUFC]

Wait, you're a libertarian? I never would have guessed.

What's your vote for the most dangerous ideology? [I bet it will be freedom]