Congresswoman Tulsi Gabbard Decries Interventionism

[Trotsky]

Interesting if disappointing read so far, thanks for posting.

I wasn't attempting to brand her as a maverick, it's just that in any interviews or things I'd read about her she seemed on the correct side of the issues (healthcare, interventionism, etc).

Yeah, I wasn't meaning to insinuate that you were aiming for that characterization, but it is an increasingly prevalent one nevertheless. And this anti-interventionism trend has all the makings of being built on sand without its proponents supplementing - at the bare minimum - a thorough rebuke and deconstruction of ethnocentric moral narration, an equation of the humanity of foreign citizens to domestic citizens, an affirmative acknowledgment of the ideological, political, and economic impetus of past US imperialism (militaristic, economic, and cultural) in creating our "enemies," and a refusal to engage non-interventionist discourse on the same ideological foundation upon which interventionism subsists. When you have this type of non-interventionist rhetoric supported by people ready and willing to cosign the moral and political narratives that energize intervention (those countries are shitholes, those people are savages, that religion is evil, etc. etc.) and not sufficiently ground the position ideologically, it's dicey to expect it to hold up against much weight.

Are you serious?

Her goal, if not to bring back war authorization to Congress and end support for Saudi terrorism, is to at the very least force the conversation as to exactly what our role is and to force other congressmen and women to declare where their loyalties lie.

A congresswoman holding her colleagues accountable on an issue very few people have even acknowledged. Yet you find some weird way to twist it around and question her motive.

You should be ashamed.

Swing and a miss.

I support her efforts on this.

 

[xcvbn]

Yeah, I wasn't meaning to insinuate that you were aiming for that characterization, but it is an increasingly prevalent one nevertheless. And this anti-interventionism trend has all the makings of being built on sand without its proponents supplementing - at the bare minimum - a thorough rebuke and deconstruction of ethnocentric moral narration, an equation of the humanity of foreign citizens to domestic citizens, an affirmative acknowledgment of the ideological, political, and economic impetus of past US imperialism in creating our "enemies," and a refusal to engage non-interventionist discourse on the same ideological foundation upon which interventionism subsists. When you have this type of non-interventionist rhetoric supported by people ready and willing to cosign the moral and political narratives that energize intervention (those countries are shitholes, those people are savages, that religion is evil, etc. etc.) and not sufficiently ground the position ideological, it's dicey to expect it to hold up against much weight.



Swing and a miss.

I support her efforts on this.

Discrediting someone is a helluva way to show support

 

[deviake]

Yeah, I wasn't meaning to insinuate that you were aiming for that characterization, but it is an increasingly prevalent one nevertheless. And this anti-interventionism trend has all the makings of being built on sand without its proponents supplementing - at the bare minimum - a thorough rebuke and deconstruction of ethnocentric moral narration, an equation of the humanity of foreign citizens to domestic citizens, an affirmative acknowledgment of the ideological, political, and economic impetus of past US imperialism (militaristic, economic, and cultural) in creating our "enemies," and a refusal to engage non-interventionist discourse on the same ideological foundation upon which interventionism subsists. When you have this type of non-interventionist rhetoric supported by people ready and willing to cosign the moral and political narratives that energize intervention (those countries are shitholes, those people are savages, that religion is evil, etc. etc.) and not sufficiently ground the position ideological, it's dicey to expect it to hold up against much weight.



Swing and a miss.

I support her efforts on this.

Very well said. I'm further into the article in the "Unfortunate and disturbing" section



disappointing but good to know. I'm not above criticizing anyone, even her, Bernie, whoever. It's the policy I'm concerned with

 

[deviake]

Finished it, thanks @Trotsky , that was enlightening.

 

[Trotsky]

Finished it, thanks @Trotsky , that was enlightening.

Np! It's awesome that you read all of it, as most people would have just dug in and skimmed for points they could attack.

Gabbard is still one of the better figures in Congress, and I would support her over any Republican and probably half of Democrats. Luckily, since you mentioned Sanders, I really think he has proved himself worthy of spearheading the left-wing movement in the Democratic Party by responding humbly and thoughtfully to criticisms of his policies and positions, similar to those found in that piece. When he first announced his candidacy back in 2015, there was a lot of justified skepticism from the left, based on his past positions, perhaps even more importantly his past rhetorical justifications for his policies, and on the magnetic pull of politicking to the center in elections. But he really rose to the occasion and showed admirable character.

Btw, if you're looking for a left-wing or internationalist perspective on Democratic policies or politicians in the future, there are a lot of in-depth analyses from that outlet (and that was probably the least insightful piece from Jacobin that I have shared here, haha).

 

[deviake]

Np! It's awesome that you read all of it, as most people would have just dug in and skimmed for points they could attack.

Gabbard is still one of the better figures in Congress, and I would support her over any Republican and probably half of Democrats. Luckily, since you mentioned Sanders, I really think he has proved himself worthy of spearheading the left-wing movement in the Democratic Party by responding humbly and thoughtfully to criticisms of his policies and positions, similar to those found in that piece. When he first announced his candidacy back in 2015, there was a lot of justified skepticism from the left, based on his past positions, perhaps even more importantly his past rhetorical justifications for his policies, and on the magnetic pull of politicking to the center in elections. But he really rose to the occasion and showed admirable character.

Btw, if you're looking for a left-wing or internationalist perspective on Democratic policies or politicians in the future, there are a lot of in-depth analyses from that outlet (and that was probably the least insightful piece from Jacobin that I have shared here, haha).

I started looking around their site after I read that article and I'm following them on Twitter now. Seems like good stuff and I'll be reading more from them soon. I'm always happy to find or be recommended good news sources, especially ones that aren't afraid to criticize people on my/our side of the aisle. Thanks again.

I hope the left-wing movement is able to find success within the Democratic Party but I'm very cautious with my optimism. I'd still like to see the rise of a third party and I wonder if that will become a necessity, but I'll support any positive change wherever it's taking place.

 

[Plissken]

Was Trump not voted in by his supporters to end foreign interventionism and the like? The U.S. may not be using troops, but don't support a side, walk away and wash your hands of the entire thing, it's not our problem.

 

[fallable]

Once the oil runs out SA will become a wasteland with chaos.

Countries like Saudi Arabia and Dubai are already starting to diversify their economic situations and expand their national horizons. It appears they are trying to convert oil money into a long term economic underpinning. They are also heavily invested in Western economies.

Saudi Arabia to build 'Riviera of the Middle East' in bid to turn country into tourist destination

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/...ddle-east-tourism-giga-projects-a8558411.html

20 Top-Rated Tourist Attractions in Dubai

https://www.planetware.com/tourist-attractions-/dubai-uae-dub-dubai.htm

Op-ed: Deepening the Saudi-U.S. Business Partnership Through Investment

"...It is clear we have a strong foundation to build upon and we are deeply vested in each other's success..."

 

[Lord Commander Palis]

Countries like Saudi Arabia and Dubai are already starting to diversify their economic situations and expand their national horizons. It appears they are trying to convert oil money into a long term economic underpinning. They are also heavily invested in Western economies.

Saudi Arabia to build 'Riviera of the Middle East' in bid to turn country into tourist destination

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/...ddle-east-tourism-giga-projects-a8558411.html

20 Top-Rated Tourist Attractions in Dubai

https://www.planetware.com/tourist-attractions-/dubai-uae-dub-dubai.htm

Op-ed: Deepening the Saudi-U.S. Business Partnership Through Investment

Tourist only resource? Good luck.

 

[lfd0311]

Saudi weapons contracts = Republican socialism = Republican jobs = Nothing is going to happen while Republicans are in power about this.

ROFL, because sooooo much was done under Obama. You people are oblivious douchebags.

 

[all caps]

Good for her.

Unfortunately, she will end up compromised and corrupted, just like all the rest.

 

[Rational Poster]

ROFL, because sooooo much was done under Obama. You people are oblivious douchebags.

The military budget was lower when Obama left office than when he started.

 

[lfd0311]

Such a terrible tragedy..... war is pure evil and the US is a willing participant. Disgraceful... millions of people including children dead, starving, fleeing, living in ruins. How can anyone handwave this shit away?

So... you're pro Anti Houthi Rebels, then?

 

[lfd0311]

The military budget was lower when Obama left office than when he started.

That's the best you could do? He also sold millions and millions of dollars worth of weapons to the Saudis and increased the number of countries we were bombing frpm two under Bush to somewhere around 10. American involvement specifically in Yemen and and Africa is because of Obama and chucklehead, thoughtless Leftists like you didn't even realize that war was going on until after Obama left office. You people are pathetic.

 

[Rational Poster]

That's the best you could do? He also sold millions and millions of dollars worth of weapons to the Saudis and increased the number of countries we were bombing frpm two under Bush to somewhere around 10. American involvement specifically in Yemen and and Africa is because of Obama and chucklehead, thoughtless Leftists like you didn't even realize that war was going on until after Obama left office. You people are pathetic.

I don't have to do better than that when we're talking about military spending.

 

[godking]

Countries like Saudi Arabia and Dubai are already starting to diversify their economic situations and expand their national horizons. It appears they are trying to convert oil money into a long term economic underpinning. They are also heavily invested in Western economies.

Saudi Arabia to build 'Riviera of the Middle East' in bid to turn country into tourist destination

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/...ddle-east-tourism-giga-projects-a8558411.html

20 Top-Rated Tourist Attractions in Dubai

https://www.planetware.com/tourist-attractions-/dubai-uae-dub-dubai.htm

Op-ed: Deepening the Saudi-U.S. Business Partnership Through Investment

They are desert bandits with oil money.

Once the oil money runs out they will be desert bandits without oil money.

 

[lfd0311]

I don't have to do better than that when we're talking about military spending.

LOL, that's not even remotely what we're talking about, but try harder to save face and deflect from the fact that once again you know nothing.

 

[curryjunkie]

Every yank I talk to seems to be against foreign meddling, yet it keeps on happening. Overseas, as well as in North America. Pathetic.

to be fair most americans are only against foreign meddling when it dont go according to plan, otherwise nobody gives a fuck how much the US meddles