Conspiracy is a Gates-way drug (New flip+guilty plea +++WOW+++): Investigation v. 14

[Rod1]

In the game of thrones you win or you die.

 

[Quipling]

I wonder if he also secretly paid American politicians for this cause as well. Hmmm...



Also asking for forfeiture of at least four houses, bank accounts and even a life insurance policy as part of this indictment.

Read it and updated the OP.

Couple things I grabbed:
The group of Euro politicians are unnamed big cheeses. From the indictment, this was a Super VIP was to "'assemble a small group of high-level European highly influential champions and politically credible friends who can act informally and without any visible relationship with the Government of Ukraine.' The group was managed by a former European Chancellor, Foreign Poltician A, in coordination with Manafort. As explained by Manafort, a nongovernmental agency would be created to retain this group, but it would act 'at our quiet discretion.' In or about 2013, Foreign Politician A and other former politicians from the group lobbied United States Members of Congress, officials in the Executive branch . . . in coordination with Manafort . . ."

Taking guesses as to who Politician A is.

The other big thing explains the Podesta Group investigation earlier.
"Neither Company (engaged in lobbying) . . . registered as required with the United States DoJ. In order to avoid such registration, Gates provided the companies a false and misleading signed statement from the Centre, stating that it was not 'directly or indirectly supervised, directed, (or controlled) in whole or in part by a government of a foreign country or a foreign political party' . . . the Centre took direction from Yanukovych and the Ukraine First Vice Prime Minister"

https://www.lawfareblog.com/document-manafort-superseding-indictment

 

[Quipling]

Followup: The European countries with Chancellors are Austria and Germany. Switzerland, Finland, Sweden, Estonia, and the UK also have Chancellors, but they are not as senior.

Gusenbauer of Austria seems the most likely candidate:
http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/...bbying-firm-foreign-agent-20170428-story.html

Throughout 2013, the firm (Mercury, one of the lobbying firms contracted by Manafort) also set up "educational events" and meetings that featured Ukrainian government officials and other experts on Ukraine and the EU. It is not clear from the documents whether Mercury's experts were also paid. Among the firm's listed experts were Alfred Gusenbauer, Austria's former chancellor, and Romano Prodi, Italy's former prime minister. The firm said it also arranged meetings with legislators and congressional staffers as well as think tanks and the media.

Also, he's been working for scum since he left office.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2011/03/04/AR2011030401166.html

Gerhard Schroeder was also historically friendly to the Russian position on Ukraine:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/wor...Gerhard-Schroeder-backs-Putin-on-Ukraine.html
Ditto Helmut Schmidt
https://www.thelocal.de/20140516/ex-german-chancellor-helmut-schmidt-slams-eu-over-ukraine

Edit: JACKPOT
https://www.euractiv.com/section/eu...ts-ukraine-relations-with-russia-not-against/

Former European Commission President Romano Prodi and former Austrian Chancellor Alfred Gusenbauer co-chaired a public event in Brussels yesterday (17 June), with both arguing that agreement of the EU-Ukraine Association agreement at the Vilnius summit in November would serve the EU’s interests.

Prodi’s main message to the conference, organised by a lobbyist working for the Ukrainian government and hosted by the Brussels Press Club, was that the EU needed to build relations with Kiev taking account of the special Ukraine-Russia relationship.

. . .

Gusenbauer said that he expected the problem with imprisoned former Prime Minister Yulia Tymoshenko to be solved “in due time” in order to bring Ukraine closer to the EU. He did not mention any specific deadline for solving the problem, however, which has been a major obstacle in EU-Ukraine relations lately.

The former Austrian Chancellor also said that in his view there was “a strong consensus” among government and opposition in Ukraine towards the “European destiny” of the country.

He said that the EU needed to avoid Ukraine being “pushed into the arms of Russia”, and that “an independent Ukraine” best served European ambitions and EU “geo-strategic interests”.

Deals with the exact issues that Manafort was lobbying on (Tymoshenko trial) during the correct timeline.

Gusenbauer was named in the paradise papers.
https://www.maltatoday.com.mt/news/...wer_players_with_interests_in_malta_companies

 

[Rod1]

This is how i picture things.

Manafort is given a plea deal but he thinks Trump will protect him.

\

Mueller brings the charges.

Then Gates flips.

 

[Fawlty]

Followup: The European countries with Chancellors are Austria and Germany. Switzerland, Finland, Sweden, Estonia, and the UK also have Chancellors, but they are not as senior.

Gusenbauer of Austria seems the most likely candidate:
http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/...bbying-firm-foreign-agent-20170428-story.html

Also, he's been working for scum since he left office.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2011/03/04/AR2011030401166.html

Gerhard Schroeder was also historically friendly to the Russian position on Ukraine:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/wor...Gerhard-Schroeder-backs-Putin-on-Ukraine.html
Ditto Helmut Schmidt
https://www.thelocal.de/20140516/ex-german-chancellor-helmut-schmidt-slams-eu-over-ukraine

Edit: JACKPOT
https://www.euractiv.com/section/eu...ts-ukraine-relations-with-russia-not-against/
Deals with the exact issues that Manafort was lobbying on (Tymoshenko trial) during the correct timeline.

Gusenbauer was named in the paradise papers.
https://www.maltatoday.com.mt/news/...wer_players_with_interests_in_malta_companies

Jesus. I've been too deep in US interests to even think about the global echoes, but logically, this stuff is probably happening in Europe on a much larger scale. I wonder if those countries will follow our lead and break this thing up.

 

[luckyshot]

I’m confused, is this still a nothing burger?

@Arkain2K , thoughts?

 

[HomerThompson]

Shit like this is going to get me to join Twitter.

 

[Andy Capp]

Good Twitter thread

Cool. This one seemed to be the most interesting imo:
"Gates' role in Trump's campaign included work at the RNC in July 2016: one of his main jobs was to change the RNC platform to benefit Putin, a change Trump ordered at the same March 2016 meeting at which George Papadopoulos told Trump that Putin wanted to negotiate with him."

 

[Madmick]

I’m confused, is this still a nothing burger?

@Arkain2K , thoughts?

LOL, it's been a long time since I've seen that word.

 

[AnGrYcRoW]

LOL, it's been a long time since I've seen that word.

They still drop it occaionally but not with same vim and vigour they once did lol

 

[Bobby 3 Sticks]

It's amazing how quiet things have been . I saw tck trolling the thread last night. Expected a post but none was made .They don't have their marching orders together yet.

 

[ralphc1]

As a Nixon voter, this is looking more and more like Watergate every day. There are no tapes but who knows who was wearing a wire and there are electronic trails. It will certainly be interesting. Will Manafort live to testify or stand trial?

 

[Bobby 3 Sticks]

As a Nixon voter, this is looking more and more like Watergate every day. There are no tapes but who knows who was wearing a wire and there are electronic trails. It will certainly be interesting. Will Manafort live to testify or stand trial?

We know Papadopoulos was wearing a wire .He was apprehended in July and flipped .His flip wasn't made public till October

 

[rokzilla]

We know Papadopoulos was wearing a wire .He was apprehended in July and flipped .His flip wasn't made public till October

Source?

 

[Quipling]

We know Papadopoulos was wearing a wire .He was apprehended in July and flipped .His flip wasn't made public till October

Source?

We don't know that he was wearing a wire, which is why I've refrained from saying that. We do know that his case was sealed for several months because he was a "proactive cooperator." Which can mean wearing a wire or otherwise gathering information.
http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/a...to-help-mueller-investigation/article/2639095
https://www.theatlantic.com/politic...orge-papadopoulos-give-robert-mueller/544493/

 

[Ophydian]

Funny enough Trump could be credited with draining the global political swamp but not in the way I think he intended.

 

[Bobby 3 Sticks]

Source?

We don't know that he was wearing a wire, which is why I've refrained from saying that. We do know that his case was sealed for several months because he was a "proactive cooperator." Which can mean wearing a wire or otherwise gathering information.
http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/a...to-help-mueller-investigation/article/2639095
https://www.theatlantic.com/politic...orge-papadopoulos-give-robert-mueller/544493/

Only logical answer to keeping it sealed is one of two,

Papadopoulos wears an actual wire or is creating the electronic equivalent by soliciting incriminating info via email/text

 

[bobgeese]

For the record, it’s quiet because nobody on the right gives a shit about Paul Manafort.


But, it’s precious how you still think “this is it”.


It’s not.

 

[Quequeg]

For the record, it’s quiet because nobody on the right gives a shit about Paul Manafort.


But, it’s precious how you still think “this is it”.


It’s not.

In reality Manafort was a big part of Trumps campaign and as dirty as they come, whether Trump's followers like it or not.

 

[andnowweknow]

For the record, it’s quiet because nobody on the right gives a shit about Paul Manafort.


But, it’s precious how you still think “this is it”.


It’s not.

It's quiet because there is nothing to say at this point about Manafort other than "he's fucked"...

This is "part of it"...maybe that works for you.

Last, who do you care about?