Cure for obesity?

[William Huggins]

Worms help

https://news.uga.edu/parasitic-worms-may-help-treat-diseases-associated-with-obesity/

 

[William Huggins]

j123 is a giant worm, so maybe his advice is correct.....

 

[therealdope]

Worms help

https://news.uga.edu/parasitic-worms-may-help-treat-diseases-associated-with-obesity/

So much for the "large amounts of cholesterol and fat are good for you" crowd.

The researchers tested their hypothesis on mice fed a high-fat diet. Those in the control group exhibited many of the symptoms associated with excessive weight gain, such as insulin resistance, high triglycerides and high cholesterol.

 

[William Huggins]

So much for the "large amounts of cholesterol and fat are good for you" crowd.

To be truthful they say high fat diet but don't mention if it's a high carb as well....

 

[hearthstone25]

Don’t eat like shit and exercise regularly.. omg cure!!

 

[shunyata]

Question to members that know a lot about ped and gear in general. The music industry didn't c Napster coming and the taxi industry didn't c Uber coming. If a cure for obesity is coming in the future to upend the gym industry, and allow me to eat whatever I want and get a six pack, where is it likely to come from? Will it be genetic manipulation, a straight up shot or pill, stem cells... when I look at fighters the past 20 years before steroids and after there seems to be a huge difference in how they look. Will there come a point where they crack the code to all these drugs and cure obesity for good, or will it come from a completely different source

That's not how life works at all son.

To quote one of my proffessors in medical school "the ONLY way to lose lots of weight fast is to induce a diseased state in the body. Have you ever hung out with late stage cancer patients? Patients dying of AIDS? They can lose weight like crazy. The most popular "diet" out there right now for weight loss deliberately induces ketosis. That's why it works. You can lose a lot of weight quickly if you're SICK."

If you give a shit about your body, eat well and keep moving. There isn't going to be a quick fix and if there is an apparent quick fix that works, it's going to be dangerous.


Napster, Uber, Airbnb, these are all based on the concept of information sharing. They were revolutionary in some ways but they didn't break any laws of physiology. Information sharing or service sharing is not going to change the way you lose weight. I don't consider receiving free personal training sessions in exchange for cooking your trainer dinner to be a revolution in fitness and nutrition and that's what the sharing economy could do for this field.

If a drug works really strongly for weight loss I guarantee you it's going to be dangerous even if the dangers aren't well understood in the earlier stages of its marketing. It often takes 10+ years on the market for serious complications of new drugs to emerge and get enough press to actually provoke any new regulatory guidelines or cautions.

 

[cooks1]

There is already a cure for obesity.

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[CUAPO]

There is no drugs or magic to lose weight quickly without hard work and dedication.

 

[beat...people...up?]

That's not how life works at all son.

To quote one of my proffessors in medical school "the ONLY way to lose lots of weight fast is to induce a diseased state in the body. Have you ever hung out with late stage cancer patients? Patients dying of AIDS? They can lose weight like crazy. The most popular "diet" out there right now for weight loss deliberately induces keto acidosis. That's why it works. You can lose a lot of weight quickly if you're SICK."

If you give a shit about your body, eat well and keep moving. There isn't going to be a quick fix and if there is an apparent quick fix that works, it's going to be dangerous.


Napster, Uber, Airbnb, these are all based on the concept of information sharing. They were revolutionary in some ways but they didn't break any laws of physiology. Information sharing or service sharing is not going to change the way you lose weight. I don't consider receiving free personal training sessions in exchange for cooking your trainer dinner to be a revolution in fitness and nutrition and that's what the sharing economy could do for this field.

If a drug works really strongly for weight loss I guarantee you it's going to be dangerous even if the dangers aren't well understood in the earlier stages of its marketing. It often takes 10+ years on the market for serious complications of new drugs to emerge and get enough press to actually provoke any new regulatory guidelines or cautions.

You do realize this is not true, right? Ketosis is NOT the same thing as the very dangerous, often fatal condition ketoacidosis, which is something severe diabetics may suffer. Ketosis is simply the production of ketones for brain fuel.

https://www.healthline.com/health/ketosis-vs-ketoacidosis

Interestingly, even if you do eat more carbohydrate than keto diets suggest, you can be in ketosis if your deficit is high enough (i.e. you're eating very few calories or you're burning most of what you do eat).

I do agree with you that drugs likely are not the answer and, though gastric bypass has a far higher success rate than most other obesity interventions, it's also pretty unsafe and compromises quality of life. But given how ill-informed you seem on the science, I'm skeptical of what else you have to say.

 

[Badger67]

LOL People not understanding ketosis vs ketoacidosis lol sounds like 90% of the doctors i know.

Edit: Read the rest of his comment, his med school prof doesn't know the difference lol FFS he shouldn't be teaching anything regarding nutrition.

 

[Married...With Boxing]

Beat and Badger got there first. I was just about to go into it. Good Lord.

 

[Grenz]

That's not how life works at all son.

To quote one of my proffessors in medical school "the ONLY way to lose lots of weight fast is to induce a diseased state in the body. Have you ever hung out with late stage cancer patients? Patients dying of AIDS? They can lose weight like crazy. The most popular "diet" out there right now for weight loss deliberately induces ketosis. That's why it works. You can lose a lot of weight quickly if you're SICK."

If you give a shit about your body, eat well and keep moving. There isn't going to be a quick fix and if there is an apparent quick fix that works, it's going to be dangerous.


Napster, Uber, Airbnb, these are all based on the concept of information sharing. They were revolutionary in some ways but they didn't break any laws of physiology. Information sharing or service sharing is not going to change the way you lose weight. I don't consider receiving free personal training sessions in exchange for cooking your trainer dinner to be a revolution in fitness and nutrition and that's what the sharing economy could do for this field.

If a drug works really strongly for weight loss I guarantee you it's going to be dangerous even if the dangers aren't well understood in the earlier stages of its marketing. It often takes 10+ years on the market for serious complications of new drugs to emerge and get enough press to actually provoke any new regulatory guidelines or cautions.

It's spelled 'professor' Dr. Shunyata.

 

[therealdope]

To be truthful they say high fat diet but don't mention if it's a high carb as well....

That seems to be the standard comeback line of the high fat/cholesterol diet crew. It's as if 50,000 members of the AHA have never heard of multi-variate analysis or a controlled study.

In the bro' science fields of nutrition and training, the "if X, then Y" fallacy rules. "Because Jim eats like fucking shit and dead lifts 800 lbs, then let's all eat like shit!!".

Looking at what one person does, at one point in their lives, and then mapping that to a physical achievement is a terrible approach to studying something and drawing conclusions to apply to the general population.

I call it the Dr. Rhonda Patrick effect.


@JSN

 

[William Huggins]

That seems to be the standard comeback line of the high fat/cholesterol diet crew. It's as if 50,000 members of the AHA have never heard of multi-variate analysis or a controlled study.

In the bro' science fields of nutrition and training, the "if X, then Y" fallacy rules. "Because Jim eats like fucking shit and dead lifts 800 lbs, then let's all eat like shit!!".

Looking at what one person does, at one point in their lives, and then mapping that to a physical achievement is a terrible approach to studying something and drawing conclusions to apply to the general population.

I call it the Dr. Rhonda Patrick effect.


@JSN

A lot of the general public don't understand and anything overly complex put in front of them is automatically rejected, so when Mr or Mrs bro science gives them a simple but usually wrong explanation they run with it......

 

[therealdope]

A lot of the general public don't understand and anything overly complex put in front of them is automatically rejected, so when Mr or Mrs bro science gives them a simple but usually wrong explanation they run with it......

Yup - and that's not even limited to bro' science. I hate when someone says something like, "you can't explain to me how we know the universe is expanding!". That's right, because you barely passed sophomore math, how am I supposed to explain something that requires Fourier analysis, advanced analytical geometry, radio astronomy, and an understanding of general relativity.

It's like if it requires a huge a base of study and scientific understanding to explain then it can't be true. Yet they'll have no problem using a computer to post their shitty thoughts --- a computer that has 100billion quantum effect devices that they don't understand the principle of operation for.

 

[William Huggins]

Yup - and that's not even limited to bro' science. I hate when someone says something like, "you can't explain to me how we know the universe is expanding!". That's right, because you barely passed sophomore math, how am I supposed to explain something that requires Fourier analysis, advanced analytical geometry, radio astronomy, and an understanding of general relativity.

It's like if it requires a huge a base of study and scientific understanding to explain then it can't be true. Yet they'll have no problem using a computer to post their shitty thoughts --- a computer that has 100billion quantum effect devices that they don't understand the principle of operation for.

Most people don't even understand the principles of an IC engine and they drive all the time, let alone the expansion of the universe and they cannot or will not understand.

 

[therealdope]

Most people don't even understand the principles of an IC engine and they drive all the time, let alone the expansion of the universe and they cannot or will not understand.

That brings up another point. Even if you understand the principle of operation of an internal combustion engine, doesn't mean you really understand much about a modern car engine. i've rebuilt engines since I was a kid and do most of the work on my hobby car, but I wouldn't even start to think that i know how a high performance engine is designed -- never mind something like a modern formula 1 engine.

I mention this because of the second law of the Dr. rhonda Patrick effect.

 

[William Huggins]

That brings up another point. Even if you understand the principle of operation of an internal combustion engine, doesn't mean you really understand much about a modern car engine. i've rebuilt engines since I was a kid and do most of the work on my hobby car, but I wouldn't even start to think that i know how a high performance engine is designed -- never mind something like a modern formula 1 engine.

I mention this because of the second law of the Dr. rhonda Patrick effect.

Of course a little knowledge can be a dangerous thing, as is the tunnel visioned specialists that cannot see research in a parallel field that would add their own......

 

[William Huggins]

My mother has head and neck cancer and is down to 40kg. H&N cancer closes the esophagus so you can't eat. The palliative care doc said that at the point that she stops eating, she'll probably die in 30 days but he's seen it go as much as 90 days! WTF?

So ya, I think you're good with fasting for 10 days.

My Mum just died from stage 4 breast cancer. I just noticed your post.

 

[therealdope]

Of course a little knowledge can be a dangerous thing, as is the tunnel visioned specialists that cannot see research in a parallel field that would add their own......

That may be true in some cases, but I'll take someone who actually decided to spend the time studying something to have the will to learn more, over "You can't explain that me in terms I can understand" guy.