Did Elliot Rodger start a dark movement?

great points but people like elliot and the guy in toronto, they had choices. the choice for self improvement in all aspects of their life and improve their worth, or the choice to LDAR. by improving themselves, they could have made themselves more marketable to women. instead, they LDAR'd and decided to take it out on the innocent
I agree completely with you. They chose to not self improve and LDAR but some of these guys aren't just looking for love, they actually have delusions of grandeur that for instance women should not only like them but actually worship them. I mean, these pos' trying to make it out like they have an ethos and are on some epic crusade when they shoot up strangers and the like.

My point - regarding women's choice - is, in the old days, where traditional marriage was the societal norm and women didn't have their own incomes, guys like Elliot and Toronto psycho guy would have more easily gotten married, as they were the breadwinners and then would have simply proceeded to take their 'problems' out on spouses/kids, rather than random strangers on the street.

As women more and more have the means to live their own lives, have careers, own income etc and are protected by laws, they don't have to put up with shit from these inept losers and that's why we see more of these said losers snap in public. In the 'good old days' they would have simply snapped behind closed doors and the neighbours would have done their best not to see or hear anything.
 
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Woah woah woah there, easy. What recorded history shows us is that in the vast majority if cases women do indeed have choice in who they marry. The marriage as business model is a relatively new one and even in societies where men make the arrangements, the daughters wishes are often central.

If anything one could argue that the rise of single motherhood is related to the reduction of options for lame men,
Nah, what recorded history have shown us is that traditional marriage and motherhood was the only acceptable role in society for women (alternative: The convent or spinster gouvernante) thus making it easier - much easier - for inept guys and crazies like Elliott and Toronto pos to get married, simply by virtue of societal expectations and by them being the breadwinners.
No laws regarding domestic abuse then protected these types of unhinged men when they took their craziness out on spouses and kids.
Women now have the choice not to put up with that kind of shit.

I think you will find that the breakdown of traditional marriage/social roles and the subsequent rise of single motherhood makes it much much easier for many men - at least the ones who are capable of appearing normal ;) - to get no-strings attached sex.
(If anything the rise of single motherhood shows many men have options! eg. the option to father a child but not shoulder the responsibility).

Lame men, and unhinged men like Elliott and Toronto psycho, snap in public more and more because they don't have the privilege of snapping behind closed doors on a spouse/kids.
 
Nah, what recorded history have shown us is that traditional marriage and motherhood was the only acceptable role in society for women (alternative: The convent or spinster gouvernante) thus making it easier - much easier - for inept guys and crazies like Elliott and Toronto pos to get married, simply by virtue of societal expectations and by them being the breadwinners.
No laws regarding domestic abuse then protected these types of unhinged men when they took their craziness out on spouses and kids.
Women now have the choice not to put up with that kind of shit.

I think you will find that the breakdown of traditional marriage/social roles and the subsequent rise of single motherhood makes it much much easier for many men - at least the ones who are capable of appearing normal ;) - to get no-strings attached sex.
(If anything the rise of single motherhood shows many men have options! eg. the option to father a child but not shoulder the responsibility).

Lame men, and unhinged men like Elliott and Toronto psycho, snap in public more and more because they don't have the privilege of snapping behind closed doors on a spouse/kids.

I think it's easy to imagine a draconian existence, but I think that largely ignores the power that women have even in intensely patriarchal societies.

I've traveled and stayed quite a bit in societies where traditional roles are still very much in effect, Morocco, Tunisia, Malaysia, Egypt, S.Africa for example. What I've seen is that women still have power, socially more so. It reminds me of a truism I was told once that all power is given.

Now this is not to say that a good 20-30% of women don't get badly treated and lack choice in these societies but I doubt the figure is much different in our modern western society, it just seems to me that the chains are just a little more opaque, a little longer.

Weak women get exploited but strong women are the real power behind the throne.

There are examples of women warriors in recent nordic cultures, it's likely that the traditional roles of marriage or spinater you speak of correlate with agriculture, which is only the last 10,000 years. Indeed if we observe modern hunter gatherer societies, women almost exclusively have choice.

Yes, it's much easier for the top 20% of men to have sex now. It's crazy how things have reverted to an earlier model so quickly.

You may be right re Elliott et al snapping in public, but mitochondrial and DNA evidence suggests that throughout history about 40% of men never reproduce, where as 80% of women do. From that evidence I think we can gather that there is a long history of shitty failed men, maybe they just had more options re dying than they have now.

Edit, the conflict we have is likely that I am looking at a much longer time frame, one of humans, rather than just the last few thousand years in developed societies.
 
That phrase is a contradiction of terms.

How can 80% be less than average?

They show you a picture and ask you to rate it from, let's say (I don't remember the scale), 0 to 5, 2.5 being what you consider an average looking person. 80% of men were rated below 2.5 by women. You can easily find this study online, it was done by OkCupid.
 
They show you a picture and ask you to rate it from, let's say (I don't remember the scale), 0 to 5, 2.5 being what you consider an average looking person. 80% of men were rated below 2.5 by women. You can easily find this study online, it was done by OkCupid.

Yes, online even the land whales have extremely high standards due to all of the thirsty dudes in their inboxes.

They are the female equivalents of:

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Ya I posted this in the warroom thread about it:

Ya I was thinking about this yesterday. If you look back at when these mass killings started they seem to go hand and hand with the proliferation of internet porn. I think for 99% of dudes they can watch porn and be fine but theres that 1% of dude who before internet porn would just be a forever alone virgin loser to scared to talk to women but they didnt know what they were missing out on. Now with the click of a mouse they can watch hundreds of these smokeshow porn chicks way out of their league get railed in these hardcore scenes and I think it really fucks with these guys. Before internet porn they were still desperate but they didnt know what they were missing out on, it was out of site out of mind, now they watch all these other dudes banging these hot chicks and it really pisses them off. Add in no friends, shitty job etc and you get these mass killing sprees.

Obviously Im not saying all dudes who watch porn and do shitty with women would do a mass killing im just saying in that group theres a very small percentage who just cant handle it like the POS yesterday in Toronto

i think in these cases religion helps. they obviously need psychology help but they unlikely to go on there own. but being devout religious man increases chance they will get a crazy religious girl and they at least get sex that way and shut up grow old and die
 
how is someone whos on the internet this long unaware of Chad memes? You some kinda incel loser?
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if someone is old they wont know about them. stuff is all over bodybuilding. also think that chart is missing something in between chad and normies. And feel the incel category too large it also ignore that many those guys eventually do get a gf and wife who is below 5/10.

the genetic ´trash´at least in my country just becomes homeless, drug addicted and dies early or is content to be a slave in prison.
 
Like just close your eyes and put yourself in their shoes.

Close them.

Listen to the fan in the background on HI drowning out the muffled sound of chaffed fapping. Smell the Hot Pocket as it's innards congeal and cool by the fan. Feel the peaks and valleys on his keyboard and mouse no longer smooth due to years of typing with precummed finger tips. Taste the lemonade his mother makes for him and brings to his room knowing the little bastard might get scurvy and is in desperate need of H2O and ascorbic acid. All this comes before the post-fap shame everyone of us feels regardless of sexual prowess.

Now loop that sequence of thought into a 25 year existence. Suddenly that curb on the side of the roadway doesn't look like an obstacle.

Get yourself some pussy boys and lay off the Hot Pockets.
 
Not surprising at all. People in general are as picky as their options. Online is sort of an ego boost for a lot of women.

I was extremely surprised when I saw this study. I think the common sense is that women are held to impossibly high standards when it comes to looks due to the influence of the media, movies, advertisement industry etc. when in fact it is the opposite. It's kinda harsh when you think that women consider 80% of men to be subpar looks-wise.
 
I was extremely surprised when I saw this study. I think the common sense is that women are held to impossibly high standards when it comes to looks due to the influence of the media, movies, advertisement industry etc. when in fact it is the opposite. It's kinda harsh when you think that women consider 80% of men to be subpar looks-wise.

(While I have no evidence) I think those standards would probably change IRL. A hideous girl has a high volume of men messaging them online, in real life they probably are not approached as often.
 
i think in these cases religion helps. they obviously need psychology help but they unlikely to go on there own. but being devout religious man increases chance they will get a crazy religious girl and they at least get sex that way and shut up grow old and die
This is the reason why religions are so preoccupied with controlling women's sexuality. Social dynamics will be chaotic for a few more generations as society transitions away from Judeo-Christian morality but it will eventually stabilize into something new altogether. Perhaps the incels of tomorrows will be content being sexless betas when VR can satiate their urges.

if someone is old they wont know about them. stuff is all over bodybuilding. also think that chart is missing something in between chad and normies. And feel the incel category too large it also ignore that many those guys eventually do get a gf and wife who is below 5/10.

the genetic ´trash´at least in my country just becomes homeless, drug addicted and dies early or is content to be a slave in prison.
The majority of those incels will become betabux providers for the leftovers that Chad pumps and dumps. He will slave away at his cubicle job to provide for her and Chad's 3 children in their joyless marriage.
 
I think it's easy to imagine a draconian existence, but I think that largely ignores the power that women have even in intensely patriarchal societies.

I've traveled and stayed quite a bit in societies where traditional roles are still very much in effect, Morocco, Tunisia, Malaysia, Egypt, S.Africa for example. What I've seen is that women still have power, socially more so. It reminds me of a truism I was told once that all power is given.

Now this is not to say that a good 20-30% of women don't get badly treated and lack choice in these societies but I doubt the figure is much different in our modern western society, it just seems to me that the chains are just a little more opaque, a little longer.

Weak women get exploited but strong women are the real power behind the throne.

There are examples of women warriors in recent nordic cultures, it's likely that the traditional roles of marriage or spinater you speak of correlate with agriculture, which is only the last 10,000 years. Indeed if we observe modern hunter gatherer societies, women almost exclusively have choice.

Yes, it's much easier for the top 20% of men to have sex now. It's crazy how things have reverted to an earlier model so quickly.

You may be right re Elliott et al snapping in public, but mitochondrial and DNA evidence suggests that throughout history about 40% of men never reproduce, where as 80% of women do. From that evidence I think we can gather that there is a long history of shitty failed men, maybe they just had more options re dying than they have now.

Edit, the conflict we have is likely that I am looking at a much longer time frame, one of humans, rather than just the last few thousand years in developed societies.
Excellent post, but if our time frame of reference is 'humans' with extended pitstops at stone age, hunter-gatherer societies and excursions to Middle East and Nordic cultures and so on i rather feel i should be wearing a monocle to address the post fully! (I don't have a monocle...)

I would like nothing more than the myths of fierce women warriors in Nordic cultures to be true but alas it is but a semi-truth with MANY modifications at best. Up til very recently, women in Nordic countries were dealt a shit hand, too. Which is not to say that Scandinavian women are not troopers in our own way, cos we are, but it's more a case of what doesn't kill you makes you stronger, rather than any societal status or cultural warrior code.

It's mind boggling to think that 40% of men never reproduced...even accounting for the outliers that one would expect not to (the incapacitated, slaves, homosexuals, the infertile, monks, hermits and ascetics and so on) that seems like an extremely high number. Is that number mainly due to how many young men have fallen in wars?

And yes, you are right, my time frame was the much shorter one, a few thousand years of recorded Western history leading up to todays first world conditions.
 
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Like just close your eyes and put yourself in their shoes.

Close them.

Listen to the fan in the background on HI drowning out the muffled sound of chaffed fapping. Smell the Hot Pocket as it's innards congeal and cool by the fan. Feel the peaks and valleys on his keyboard and mouse no longer smooth due to years of typing with precummed finger tips. Taste the lemonade his mother makes for him and brings to his room knowing the little bastard might get scurvy and is in desperate need of H2O and ascorbic acid. All this comes before the post-fap shame everyone of us feels regardless of sexual prowess.

Now loop that sequence of thought into a 25 year existence. Suddenly that curb on the side of the roadway doesn't look like an obstacle.

Get yourself some pussy boys and lay off the Hot Pockets.
This is hilarious.
 
I was really liking how this BBC article explained everything about how Rodger can be seen as a hero to the losers of the Internet until it went off the deepend at the end and was going on about how Pepe the Frog is a symbol of misogyny.

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-43892189

Still worth a read until you get in to the MGTOW/Red Pill nonsense.

I am on mobile so don’t want to even try and copy and paste it in to here.
 
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