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Holy shit, now I’m fucking torn. But if it was a cult, why did they stop after Berkowitz got nailed?
Holy shit, now I’m fucking torn. But if it was a cult, why did they stop after Berkowitz got nailed?
David Berkowitz surrendered to Brooklyn police in Yonkers, New York, in August 1977, a move that this book suggests was prompted by his co-conspirators, in order to stop a Brooklyn police investigation from widening. Berkowitz himself indicates in various prison interviews published here, that he agreed to be arrested as a "patsy," under the threat of the murder of his still-living father. According to Terry's evidence, the decision "to terminate" the series of killings this way, followed a blunder during the shooting of the last victims, Stacey Moskowitz and Robert Violante in Brooklyn, on July 30, 1977: Berkowitz's car was ticketed during the shooting, in which he was functioning as a lookout for another "shooter." The ticket led police to his name and address. The scenario had to be "damage controlled."
Hey, @shadow_priest_x got a little treat for you. It seems I found a pdf of Maury Terry's Ultimate Evil book online.
https://docs.google.com/file/d/0BwZL_QI2UVrbZWlqV2JKRExSSHc/edit
I also found that the Process Church turned into a non-profit animal rights organization called Best Friends Animal Sanctuary, which seems to operate today because their website still works.
British journalist and Anton LaVey Church of Satan representative, Gavin Baddeley, wrote this book -
https://www.amazon.com/Lucifer-Rising-Devil-Worship-RocknRoll/dp/0859655474
And in it I guess he refers to Maury Terry as, ""a sensationalist reporter with a nose for good scare stories." Basically saying to take what Terry says with a grain of salt.
My research is turning into a lot of he said/she said, and I think I'm back where I originally stood that even though the whole Satanism cult angle regarding Son of Sam is intriguing, I'm still finding it hard to believe it's true.
Like I said earlier, if you find this stuff interesting, then read up on Henry Lee Lucas and the Hand of Death stuff. Once again, I think it's baloney, but it's still an enthralling read.
Like I said earlier, if you find this stuff interesting, then read up on Henry Lee Lucas and the Hand of Death stuff. Once again, I think it's baloney, but it's still an enthralling read.
Here's what, from what I can tell, there seems to be significant evidence to support:
John Carr and Michael Carr were in some way involved with a ritualistic, seemingly Satanic cult. The Carr brothers were friends with David Berkowitz, and Berkowitz has said that they were involved with the murders.
David Berkowitz signed some of the Son of Sam latters with this symbol:
You'll notice the inverted cross. That symbol was later found drawn onto a phone book that was found at the residence of John Carr.
Here's a bit from the unsolved.com page about Berkowitz getting involved with the cult:
Six months after Berkowitz's arrest, John Carr was found dead. It was ruled a suicide, but some think he was murdered. I think that either way it's suspicious.
The note that I posted in the OP references both the "22 disciples of hell," which some speculate refers to the members of the cult, as well as "John Wheaties." It was later found out that John Carr's nickname was Wheaties.
I'll leave you with this final excerpt from the Unsolved page:
It seems to me that there is enough reason to at least be open to the possibility that there's more to the story than just David Berkowitz, the lone gunman.
I don't even like God, if He exists at all, but Satanists are pathetic.
Ironically, there is at least one Neo-Nazi Satanist group which forbids it's members from sacrificing animals or children. Only adults who have, "self-selected themselves" are acceptable.
It's strange that your username references a Christian organization formed to protect Christian pilgrims when you are hostile toward Christianity.
A Neo-Nazi Satanist group that performs human sacrifice? The fuck?
I hope Carr was murdered. Anyone who sacrifices a dog, especially a German Shepherd, deserves to die. Preferably screaming in agony.
I don't even like God, if He exists at all, but Satanists are pathetic.
Ironically, there is at least one Neo-Nazi Satanist group which forbids it's members from sacrificing animals or children. Only adults who have, "self-selected themselves" are acceptable.
@shadow_priest_x There's an Unsolved Mysteries episode on the Son of Sam that mentions the Carr's. It's worth a watch if you haven't seen it.
I appreciate the heads-up, but I'm going to go out on a limb and guess you didn't read the OP.
Yeah, it mentioned that in this link:
http://crimefeed.com/2017/08/the-pr...an-cult-connect-son-of-sam-to-charles-manson/
Did you check this link out? Pretty interesting stuff.
While Gavid Baddeley may be totally right, it's also worth pointing out that, as a representative for the Church of Satan, he's going to be interested in diverting any negative attention toward Satanist groups in another direction. So his comments may very well just be damage control to protect his own group.
But one thing to keep in mind is that Maury Terry isn't the only journalist who has worked this case and come to the conclusion that Berkowitz did not act alone.
This is John Hockenberry:
He has written for The New York Times, The New Yorker, The Washington Post, Wired and a number of other publications. He worked for NPR for 15 years and has reported on events from all over the world.
He also believes that Berkowitz did not act alone, and in fact, the 2004 Dateline episode on the subject was based on Hockenberry's work, not Terry's.
The registration for one car that had gotten a ticket listed the owner as a David Berkowitz along with a Yonkers address. So Mr. Justus called “to see if Yonkers P.D. had any idea of who this guy David Berkowitz was,” he said.
The dispatcher in Yonkers told him that she knew the man. And there was more. “We spent a good deal of time on the phone,” Mr. Justus recalled. “She started relating the story about their black Lab being shot by Berkowitz.” The dispatcher was Wheat Carr; her father, Sam Carr, was later said to have been the object of Mr. Berkowitz’s fixation on “Sam.” (According to “Ladies and Gentlemen, the Bronx Is Burning,” Jonathan Mahler’s history of the summer of 1977, Ms. Carr told Mr. Justus about threatening letters from Mr. Berkowitz, and Mr. Carr told the police that he had seen Mr. Berkowitz shoot the dog.)
The Carrs said they had finally decided to talk with The Times—they asked no fee—to clear up what they considered a misrepresentation by some of their role in the case. As a result of the misrepresentation, Miss Carr said family members had received more than 100 threatening or obscene letters accusing them of being willing accomplices. There have been phone calls too, she said, “heavy breathers” and those who shout obscenities at 2 A.M.
The most recent and frightening communication was a Sept. 13 letter from Mr. Berkowitz. Arriving in an envelope bearing the name “D. Berkowitz” and the address of the headquarters of New York City Health and Hospitals Corporation in the upper left‐hand corner.
“I screamed at first,” said Miss Carr, bringing her fist down on the table at Dino's Ground Round restaurant here. “My mother didn't even want to open it, but I was angry that he [Mr. Berkowitz] is sitting up there in a prison ward at taxpayers’ expense and still harassing us. Something has to be done.”
The letter, which has been turned over to the police, referred to Mr. Carr as “Sam, my Lord,” and “Papa God,” and railed against the family's Labrador retriever, Harvey, named by Mr. Berkowitz as the messenger who told him to kill. “I got the messages through his [Mr. Carr's] dog,” Mr. Berkowitz said after his arrest.
The letter threatened to expose Mr. Carr as the force who made the “Son of Sam” kill six persons and wound seven as well as the force behind other, unrelated killings. That apparently was a reference to a shooting spree in Hackettstown, N.J., on Aug. 27 that resulted in the slaying of six persons and the gunman's own suicide.
“A lot of people seem to believe that we were connected with the killings—really connected,” said Miss Carr. “People don't seem to know that for months before he was arrested he had harassed us with letters and anonymous phone calls and we believe he was the one who threw a molotov cocktail at our house last Oct. 4. We had been nervous and frightened for months before and in the aftermath were still on edge and emotionally upset.”
The Carrs said that they had gotten support from many of their friends who were kind enough not to question them about the case and from the Yonkers Police Department, which maintained a guard at the house for three weeks after the threatening letters and calls began coming in.
But still there were acquaintances who “just couldn't leave it alone,” said Michael Carr.
“I went into a bar that I frequent shortly after the arrest,” said the younger Carr who is a freelance advertising stylist, “and they just couldn't resist introducing me as the ‘real Son of Sam.’ It was a bad joke.”
Miss Carr, growing angry as her brother recounted his problems, said that people had told her that they had heard that she dated Mr. Berkowitz, and asked her if it was true.
In spite of their insistance that they want to forget their ordeal, the Carrs conceded a certain “gnawing” about the case. Miss Carr said she had made copious notes on the letters and events of the preceding months, trying to make some sense of the whole thing.
“Why my father?” she asked rhetorically. “That's what we want to know. Why did he pick my father and my family. It's eating us up. It's not enough to say to ourselves that he [Mr. Berkowitz] is sick.”
The Ford belonged to David Berkowitz, a 24-year-old Bronx postal worker who lived at 35 Pine St. in Yonkers.
The trail of evidence was building.
That April, Sam Carr, who lived in a house behind 35 Pine St., had gotten letters complaining about his black Labrador retriever, Harvey. The writer complained that the dog was tormenting him.
On April 27, when Harvey was shot in the thigh, Carr reported it to Yonkers cops.
That June, Jack and Nann Cassara of New Rochelle got a get-well card from a Sam Carr. The Cassaras were confused because no one in the family was sick and they didn’t know Sam Carr.
When they tracked down Carr, it turned out that the handwriting on the card matched that on the threatening letters he had received.
The Cassaras then remembered that they briefly had a tenant named David Berkowitz who hated dogs.
Meanwhile, Craig Glassman, an investigator for the Westchester County sheriff, had moved into 35 Pine St. and was getting threatening notes that mentioned “Satan” and “demons.”
On Aug. 6, a fire was set outside his door.
Yonkers cops concluded that the same person had written the notes to Glassman and Carr and the card to the Cassaras.
The new interest in the man who terrorized the city for a year, until he was arrested outside his Yonkers apartment on Aug. 10, 1977, stems from recently published reports in the Gannett Westchester Papers linking Mr. Berkowitz with the late John Carr.
Mг. Carr, who was 31 years old when he died of gunshot wounds in Minot, N.D., in February 1978, was the son of Sam Carr, a Yonkers neighbor of Mr. Berkowitz. Mr. Berkowitz, who did not personally know Sam Carr, had referred to the elder Carr as his “master” who spoke to him through a dog and ordered him to kill.
Lieut. Terry Gardner, a deputy sheriff in Ward County, N.D., who is still investigating the death of John Carr, said in an interview: “There is no doubt in my mind, based on interviews I conducted and information I have obtained, that John Carr and Berkowitz knew each other well.”
He said that friends of John Carr reported that he had mentioned Mr. Berkowitz's name to them after he returned to Minot early in 1977, more than a half year before Mr. Berkowitz was captured and identified as the “Son of Sam.”
Lieutenant Gardner said he had no information that would link John Carr to any of the crimes to which Mr. Berkowitz confessed. Originally, Mr. Carr's death was regarded as a suicide, but the investigation is now looking into the possibility that he might have been murdered.
Henry was a well-established liar.