Does seeing lies against Donald make you more mistrustful of "truth" about the other party?

This isn't really what the thread is about. What I'm asking is if seeing how dishonest the liberal media has been makes you wonder if the conservative media is lying to you. For example, are colleges really as liberal as the media shows them to be? Is anti-fa really instigating all that violence? Is BLM really a racist hate movement?

This thread is some Wallace Shawn/Vizinni level double binding
 
well i can first hand confirm yes on all accounts. i am from california and its worse than you could imagine.

Well I lived in California for a long time and work in education and I disagree, so I guess we're back to square 1.

You're saying that you think conservative media accurately represents the Left? How about their take on Obama and Hilary? All good? If so, what makes you think that?
 
The levels we are seeing today are unprecedented.
The democrats and loser liberals left are bad people
 
The levels we are seeing today are unprecedented.
The democrats and loser liberals left are bad people

Again, that's not really what this thread is about. Do you have any thoughts on the questions posed in the OP?
 
Again, that's not really what this thread is about. Do you have any thoughts on the questions posed in the OP?
he does not have thoughts, he is basically a human parrot.
 
I've always been aware of the Fox News bias, (and huffington post bias is pretty obvious too) but only when Trump began running for president did the biases of the MSM (CNN, NBC, New York Times, Washington Post) become readily apparent.

As a libertarian myself who never identified with either left or right(I used to attack them equally on their BS), I've been pushed further and further to the right by the MSM's uniform bias against Trump and their embracing of the most extreme aspects of the left, like antifa, socialism, and SJW culture.

To address the OP more directly, yes, the lies, exaggerations, and double standards are REALLY obvious at this point, and it not only makes me mistrust the media, but the democrat party as a whole.

As a fellow libertarian I completely agree. Trump attracted me because I thought FINALLY we might get a NON Neocon in the White House. I guess we will see still. But now I find myself defending him because the MSM is just soooooo bad.

I also really liked the idea of trying to have a better relationship with Russia. And I'm ashamed how the media, politicians and even some of the intelligence community have conducted themselves
 
Yes, absolutely. Although non-msm right leaning news outlets have a much better track record than left wing ones.

I literally hate how stupid you are.

Left: The Nation, The Guardian, The Intercept, The Atlantic - all award-winning publications with industry leading investigatory journalists

Right: Breitbart, The Drudge Report, Louder with Crowder, TheBlaze, The Daily Caller - all complete bullshit constantly ragged by fact checking publications and issue experts.


There's even statistical proof showing that bona fide fake news outlets that promulgate shit like Pizza-Gate are disproportionately right-wing and disproportionately resonant with right-wing consumers.
 
Be critical of absolutely every politician and party. We are not here to be fan boys and to worship our political affiliations. The common ground for people from both ends of the political spectrum should be that our politicians ought be accountable and subservient to us, the people and not the other way around.
 
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Be critical of absolutely every politician and party. We are not here to be fan boys and to worship our political affiliations. The common ground which people from both ends of the political spectrum should be that our politicians should be accountable and subservient to us, the people not the other way around.
Agreed. Never trust those with power over you.

As for the op. Any person with intellectual integrity should make the connection and call out their own side for foul plays. Too bad team politics have made some people value ill begotten gotcha points over objective truths. And yes, every article, opinion piece or report should be read with some skepticism due to the medias track record.
 
No, they don't.

That's obvious. Anything the NYT prints that is negative about Trump is "fake news", but they they spend a three-week circle jerk over Harvey Weinstein when it was that same paper that cut him down. Of course they don't introspect. Only intelligent people do that, and intelligent people don't support Donald Trump.

They just don't.
plenty of intelligent people support Trump- they are millionaires looking for tax cuts. Otherwise I agree with your assessment.
 
Growing up in a left-leaning household, the first thing that made me more critical of the Left was seeing Fox News tell heavy mischaracterizations about people like Obama and (my guy at the time) Bill Richardson. I didn't become more mistrustful because I thought the news reports were valid, but because I thought it would be very strange if conservative news outlets spread propaganda but liberals ones didn't. That seems unlikely, no?

After deciding to consume news from CNN and MSNBC a bit more carefully, I, unsurprisingly, discovered that the information I'd been relying on was equally inaccurate, just pointed at different targets.

This thread is particularly directed at Donald supporters (but I'd like to hear from those opposed to Donald as well) : Does seeing how much Left-leaning news outlets lie about your boy make you reconsider the things you hear about Democrats from right-leaning news outlets? When you see Leftists calling him a racist and taking his quotes out of context, does it make you wonder if Right-leaning outlets do the same thing to Hillary, Bernie, Obama, etc? If so, what impact has that had on you? If not, what makes your news sources different/more reliable?
Please point out some specific lies. Thanks.
 
No, they don't.

That's obvious. Anything the NYT prints that is negative about Trump is "fake news", but they they spend a three-week circle jerk over Harvey Weinstein when it was that same paper that cut him down. Of course they don't introspect. Only intelligent people do that, and intelligent people don't support Donald Trump.

They just don't.


Agree with me or you’re stupid.
 
Thus is what happens when most of your mainstream media is controlled by just a few corporations. Everything that they touch or that comes from their efforts is tainted by ideologies and schemes of the heads of those organizations.

Money, politics and power. News, politics and power. The trifectas of national whoredom.
 
Well I lived in California for a long time and work in education and I disagree, so I guess we're back to square 1.

You're saying that you think conservative media accurately represents the Left? How about their take on Obama and Hilary? All good? If so, what makes you think that?

Within the nation context I tend to view it like two sports rivals. It's a game. The narratives coming out of either side are biased and are rarely accurate. The big established players are better at playing these games, and can deceive more craftily.

But that dynamic can also be viewed in a larger context, on a more global scale. Even when combining the left and right mainstream views of say, the US, that is still very different than what might be seen in other countries (especially those in competition with the US). It is a game played on a larger level.

I tend to view the left and right MSM as 'empire left, and empire right'. It lacks vertical perspective (what is behind it all)
 
Spain is turning into a dictatorship but most mainstream media isn't reporting anything about it. What is happening in Catalonia could trigger a global war.
 
Not a Trump fanboy but the thing i like most about Trump is him calling out MSM and his presidency pushing them to give up the facade of being non partial and showing their true colours ...cnn specifically
 
I used to consume CNN (pretty much solely) for decades. I trusted CNN's name as a cable "news" channel, and it's presentation made them seem like the gold standard. I think the average person still thinks this way whether they like it or not. Fox was a newer channel (only coming about in 1986 versus CNN in 1980) and stood for a broad variety of entertainment, including sitcoms and dramas. So again, it seemed to me for many decades that CNN was truth as it pertained to news.

But I did start seeing holes throughout the 2000s, I guess starting with 9/11 reporting, but it was excacerbated with Obama's presidency and in particular for me, with the hiding of really important news stories like the early stages of Boko Haram and similar terrorism that seemed to be getting shielded from mainstream consciousness in The West. Honestly.

So about 8 to 10 years ago I did start finding a lot of news that Fox was reporting, and that was supstantiated, that CNN just wasn't.

Indeed I see that there is bias on both sides, but I'm going to state my opinion, and to me it's quite clear that Fox's representation of the news is far more reliable, generally, than CNN. But I am leery all news and feel I sniff out falsehood quite well. And I don't like it no matter who's doing it.
 
Growing up in a left-leaning household, the first thing that made me more critical of the Left was seeing Fox News tell heavy mischaracterizations about people like Obama and (my guy at the time) Bill Richardson. I didn't become more mistrustful because I thought the news reports were valid, but because I thought it would be very strange if conservative news outlets spread propaganda but liberals ones didn't. That seems unlikely, no?

After deciding to consume news from CNN and MSNBC a bit more carefully, I, unsurprisingly, discovered that the information I'd been relying on was equally inaccurate, just pointed at different targets.

This thread is particularly directed at Donald supporters (but I'd like to hear from those opposed to Donald as well) : Does seeing how much Left-leaning news outlets lie about your boy make you reconsider the things you hear about Democrats from right-leaning news outlets? When you see Leftists calling him a racist and taking his quotes out of context, does it make you wonder if Right-leaning outlets do the same thing to Hillary, Bernie, Obama, etc? If so, what impact has that had on you? If not, what makes your news sources different/more reliable?
Ya need to use your common sense these days. Social media is not the place to get your news. It kinda sad to watch all these fucktards on Facebook falling for all this fake bullshit. And lately the Trumpanzees seem to eat up all the fake shit. Most mainstream media is biased too. Use your fucking head. Take a look at Trump and his overall actions/appearance. Not just while he’s in the Oval Office. Compare him as a person to what’s been happening now and in the past. How his actions/News compare to his actions in the past. Look at the overall picture and look at the common denominators with his supporters. They paint a picture. Not a good one. I don’t trust that shitbag. He’s a self-serving narcissist. And he’s bullshit a lot of low IQ naive people. And ya think it’s coincidence that he appears to have differing views of people that are not white? When you consider that is Father was a self proclaimed racist and had MANY discrimination lawsuits filed against him? Sorry. Trump is just bad fucking news unless your his business buddy, very wealthy or big business. And before all you Trump ass suckers start with the Obama Clinton deflection bullshit....I don’t support either of them. Never have. I’m Republican. Something Trump is NOT.
 
I used to consume CNN (pretty much solely) for decades. I trusted CNN's name as a cable "news" channel, and it's presentation made them seem like the gold standard. I think the average person still thinks this way whether they like it or not. Fox was a newer channel (only coming about in 1986 versus CNN in 1980) and stood for a broad variety of entertainment, including sitcoms and dramas. So again, it seemed to me for many decades that CNN was truth as it pertained to news.

But I did start seeing holes throughout the 2000s, I guess starting with 9/11 reporting, but it was excacerbated with Obama's presidency and in particular for me, with the hiding of really important news stories like the early stages of Boko Haram and similar terrorism that seemed to be getting shielded from mainstream consciousness in The West. Honestly.

So about 8 to 10 years ago I did start finding a lot of news that Fox was reporting, and that was supstantiated, that CNN just wasn't.

Indeed I see that there is bias on both sides, but I'm going to state my opinion, and to me it's quite clear that Fox's representation of the news is far more reliable, generally, than CNN. But I am leery all news and feel I sniff out falsehood quite well. And I don't like it no matter who's doing it.

Similar for me in regards to CNN. For me, i started smh with their Boston marathon bombing coverage. 2 things in particular. When they jumped the gun and announced suspects in custody, before they were even known by law enforcement.



Even worse, what left me disgusted was when they were reviewing footage of the explosion. I wish I could find a video. They play it in slow-mo and literally use one of those white pens that you would use on screen to show football plays and circled different people. The circled one guy that had his pants blown to shreds and showed his running pattern as he took off.

They claimed he must be a suspect because other people stood in shock, while he ran after the explosion (and being injured by it, but guess that didn't matter to them. I wish that guy sued the pants off CNN to replace the ones that were in tatters.

The proper thing to do is consume the same news story from multiple outlets to see their angle/bias/spin on it. If certain aspects catch your attention, investigate them further and afterwards form your own opinion.

Sitting there watching CNN or Fox news all day exclusively doesn't make you more informed, it make you a programmed puppet.
 
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