Does seeing lies against Donald make you more mistrustful of "truth" about the other party?

Similar for me in regards to CNN. For me, i started smh with their Boston marathon bombing coverage. 2 things in particular. When they jumped the gun and announced suspects in custody, before they were even known by law enforcement.



Even worse, what left me disgusted was when they were reviewing footage of the explosion. I wish I could find a video. They play it in slow-mo and literally use one of those white pens that you would use on screen to show football plays and circled different people. The circled one guy that had his pants blown to shreds and showed his running pattern as he took off.

They claimed he must be a suspect because other people stood in shock, while he ran after the explosion (and being injured by it, but guess that didn't matter to them. I wish that guy sued the pants off CNN to replace the ones that were in tatters.

The proper thing to do is consume the same news story from multiple outlets to see their angle/bias/spin on it. If certain aspects catch your attention, investigate them further and afterwards form your own opinion.

Sitting there watching CNN or Fox news all day exclusively doesn't make you more informed, it make you a programmed puppet.


Good example, and I'd love to run wild with examples of CNN that have blown me away in the last 5 or 6 years but I'll hold back. Suffice to say that I agree. I even follow RT, BBC and Al Jazeera just for alternate perspectives.
 
Growing up in a left-leaning household, the first thing that made me more critical of the Left was seeing Fox News tell heavy mischaracterizations about people like Obama and (my guy at the time) Bill Richardson. I didn't become more mistrustful because I thought the news reports were valid, but because I thought it would be very strange if conservative news outlets spread propaganda but liberals ones didn't. That seems unlikely, no?

After deciding to consume news from CNN and MSNBC a bit more carefully, I, unsurprisingly, discovered that the information I'd been relying on was equally inaccurate, just pointed at different targets.

This thread is particularly directed at Donald supporters (but I'd like to hear from those opposed to Donald as well) : Does seeing how much Left-leaning news outlets lie about your boy make you reconsider the things you hear about Democrats from right-leaning news outlets? When you see Leftists calling him a racist and taking his quotes out of context, does it make you wonder if Right-leaning outlets do the same thing to Hillary, Bernie, Obama, etc? If so, what impact has that had on you? If not, what makes your news sources different/more reliable?
You're just now discovering this??
 
plenty of intelligent people support Trump- they are millionaires looking for tax cuts. Otherwise I agree with your assessment.

I don't think less sophisticated people even understand how bad trump is. How do explain that the u.s can't back just back out on something like the Iran deal? The consequence is that all foreign policy gets put on a 4 year window. Why would anyone bother knowing that? Iran was honoring everything and it all falls apart.

Iran won't renegotiate anything and who would blames them. And guess what, we need them to help bring this shitstorm in the middle east under control.
 
No, they don't.

That's obvious. Anything the NYT prints that is negative about Trump is "fake news", but they they spend a three-week circle jerk over Harvey Weinstein when it was that same paper that cut him down. Of course they don't introspect. Only intelligent people do that, and intelligent people don't support Donald Trump.

They just don't.
So in the election....who did you support?
 
Growing up in a left-leaning household, the first thing that made me more critical of the Left was seeing Fox News tell heavy mischaracterizations about people like Obama and (my guy at the time) Bill Richardson. I didn't become more mistrustful because I thought the news reports were valid, but because I thought it would be very strange if conservative news outlets spread propaganda but liberals ones didn't. That seems unlikely, no?

After deciding to consume news from CNN and MSNBC a bit more carefully, I, unsurprisingly, discovered that the information I'd been relying on was equally inaccurate, just pointed at different targets.

This thread is particularly directed at Donald supporters (but I'd like to hear from those opposed to Donald as well) : Does seeing how much Left-leaning news outlets lie about your boy make you reconsider the things you hear about Democrats from right-leaning news outlets? When you see Leftists calling him a racist and taking his quotes out of context, does it make you wonder if Right-leaning outlets do the same thing to Hillary, Bernie, Obama, etc? If so, what impact has that had on you? If not, what makes your news sources different/more reliable?
The issue isn't accurate news. That's important. But the issue is values. The US was established along economic class lines. The founders were wealthy white guys who wanted the propertied class to run the country in a democratic republic where the republic part was them. They wanted a system that protected their wealth. The centuries that followed saw the slaughter of the Indians to steal their land, the use of slavery for free labor to build wealth, the subjugation and murder of Labor Union organizers to keep labor divided and as cheap as possible, and the general marginlization of anyone not part of the Economic Royalists. Capitalsim is the perfect vehicle for this predatory class based arrangement. The capitalists are few but powerful. The rest of us are many and weak.

Are you your brother's keeper or are you an island? Is obvious exploitation and criminal advantage your thing or is solidarity appealing? Are you part of the Economic Royalist class or part of the Labor class? Which side denies racism exists, global warming exists, that we live in a classless meritocracy, that all the world's troubles boil down to political differences? Which side speaks glowingly of privatization, Trickle Down Economics, hammering Lazy Takers, and generally worshipping wealth, military might and complete capitulation to things like flags, pledges and punishment? Which side speaks of conciliation, equal opportunity, the plight of labor, environmental concerns, fair treatment, and the benefit of having the Commons?

Lies in the media are intentionally deceptive with designs on control or damage. Mistakes...sloppy journalism that merits authentic retractions or corrections.

Ask yourself, does the right wing media report to control or damage people? If wrong, does that media issue retractions or corrections immediately or do they let the lies fester to do the damage anticipated? How about the Left? MSNBC is owned by GE...a notorious Lean Six Sigma right wing company. Does anyone believe that MSNBC is the tail wagging the dog instead of vice versa?
 
Growing up in a left-leaning household, the first thing that made me more critical of the Left was seeing Fox News tell heavy mischaracterizations about people like Obama and (my guy at the time) Bill Richardson. I didn't become more mistrustful because I thought the news reports were valid, but because I thought it would be very strange if conservative news outlets spread propaganda but liberals ones didn't. That seems unlikely, no?

After deciding to consume news from CNN and MSNBC a bit more carefully, I, unsurprisingly, discovered that the information I'd been relying on was equally inaccurate, just pointed at different targets.

This thread is particularly directed at Donald supporters (but I'd like to hear from those opposed to Donald as well) : Does seeing how much Left-leaning news outlets lie about your boy make you reconsider the things you hear about Democrats from right-leaning news outlets? When you see Leftists calling him a racist and taking his quotes out of context, does it make you wonder if Right-leaning outlets do the same thing to Hillary, Bernie, Obama, etc? If so, what impact has that had on you? If not, what makes your news sources different/more reliable?

It's an interesting question.

Like most of us, I realize I am less skeptical of things I already agree with, and I do not think that is a good thing. But yes, I try to resist poor arguments even when I agree with their conclusions. In some ways I do feel more inclined to believe negative stories about politicians from sites that I would otherwise expect to support them, although that is also a form of bias.
 
No, they don't.

That's obvious. Anything the NYT prints that is negative about Trump is "fake news", but they they spend a three-week circle jerk over Harvey Weinstein when it was that same paper that cut him down. Of course they don't introspect. Only intelligent people do that, and intelligent people don't support Donald Trump.

They just don't.
But intelligent people, like yourself of course, support Hillary Clinton and the Democratic Party.
 
I've always been aware of the Fox News bias, (and huffington post bias is pretty obvious too) but only when Trump began running for president did the biases of the MSM (CNN, NBC, New York Times, Washington Post) become readily apparent.

As a libertarian myself who never identified with either left or right(I used to attack them equally on their BS), I've been pushed further and further to the right by the MSM's uniform bias against Trump and their embracing of the most extreme aspects of the left, like antifa, socialism, and SJW culture.

To address the OP more directly, yes, the lies, exaggerations, and double standards are REALLY obvious at this point, and it not only makes me mistrust the media, but the democrat party as a whole.
Biased liberal news reporting has pushed you further to biased right-wing news reporting? I think a lot of the right-wing stuff is a result of them being put on the ropes by the left a lot lately, but it definitely doesn't make them any more credible.
 
Growing up in a left-leaning household, the first thing that made me more critical of the Left was seeing Fox News tell heavy mischaracterizations about people like Obama and (my guy at the time) Bill Richardson. I didn't become more mistrustful because I thought the news reports were valid, but because I thought it would be very strange if conservative news outlets spread propaganda but liberals ones didn't. That seems unlikely, no?

After deciding to consume news from CNN and MSNBC a bit more carefully, I, unsurprisingly, discovered that the information I'd been relying on was equally inaccurate, just pointed at different targets.

This thread is particularly directed at Donald supporters (but I'd like to hear from those opposed to Donald as well) : Does seeing how much Left-leaning news outlets lie about your boy make you reconsider the things you hear about Democrats from right-leaning news outlets? When you see Leftists calling him a racist and taking his quotes out of context, does it make you wonder if Right-leaning outlets do the same thing to Hillary, Bernie, Obama, etc? If so, what impact has that had on you? If not, what makes your news sources different/more reliable?

This thread turned into a pile of &$*#!! thanks to tribalism hive mindset. I try to be honest with myself as a right wing leaning conservative. Fox news telling me Obama is Muslim born outside of the USA I know that is nothing but BS. I check out all sides of a story (left vs right and the all between) and try to build my opinion on that. If it's something taking out of context I try to go to the actual full context. It seems a lot of people are ok if their side of media goes in overkill mode and makes up things or stretches it out to a ridiculous point. I think people are ok with lying to themselves to get to the end goal (winning and being in power) like portraying Trump into a evil racist white supremacist who should be impeach because their candidate didn't win. Or vice versa Clinton being the most corrupt, money hungry nasty person that should be locked up. Society loves the extremes these days " worse and best ever".

I think that's why in a Clinton thread you see people bring up bad things Trump/ others did and in a Trump thread Clinton and Obama always get brought up. An opposition's bad actions doesn't mean your side bad actions become good or justified just because someone pointed that out..... anyways I'm rambling. But like the discussion. Just call a spade a spade and think as individuals at times with your own talking points not parroting something you read in a headline.
 
Biased liberal news reporting has pushed you further to biased right-wing news reporting? I think a lot of the right-wing stuff is a result of them being put on the ropes by the left a lot lately, but it definitely doesn't make them any more credible.
Not exactly what I meant.

The extremist aspects of leftism, which the mainstream media has been embracing, has repelled me from liberal ideas.

For example: Before our beloved gentle giant, Michael Brown, became a national hero to the mainstream left (thanks mostly to the biased media coverage) I was much more likely to give credence to folks who claimed systemic racism.

But this turned out to be a horrible example. By all indications, to include the Department of Justice investigation report, the officer did nothing wrong in that case. As far as I was concerned, race was not a factor in that case. And if the left had collectively said, "woops, bad example," I would have been fine with that. But they did not. The ensuing riots were defended as justified anger on the part of an oppressed people as evidenced by the Michael Brown shooting (which I can't imagine anyone on the left bothered to research).

After a few similar cases (Eric Garner, Alton Sterling), I'm numb to the idea. By this point, I've concluded that people like Colin Kaepernick who claim victimhood status are more than likely suffering from racism-hypochondria.

Thus my statement that liberal bias, particularly on the part of the mainstream media, continues to push me to the right side of the political spectrum (or rather, further away from liberal ideology).

The media's bias against Trump is an extension of that sentiment. Yes, I know Trump is a liar. I know he says stupid stuff. He's impossible to defend at this point. But when the media goes so far as to ally themselves with Antifa in order to attack Trump, I'm forced to side with Trump because Antifa is a real threat to free speech (not to mention involved in actions classified by DHS as domestic terrorism).
 
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No, they don't.

That's obvious. Anything the NYT prints that is negative about Trump is "fake news", but they they spend a three-week circle jerk over Harvey Weinstein when it was that same paper that cut him down. Of course they don't introspect. Only intelligent people do that, and intelligent people don't support Donald Trump.

They just don't.

Funny; I heard this year that "all intelligent people" supported the Paris Accords.

A bit of charity when ascribing intent to the other side goes a long way.
 
Thus is what happens when most of your mainstream media is controlled by just a few corporations. Everything that they touch or that comes from their efforts is tainted by ideologies and schemes of the heads of those organizations.

Money, politics and power. News, politics and power. The trifectas of national whoredom.

Media and government go well beyond the "bias" that most people throw around. They are incredibly deceptive and outright lie. Left or right, doesn't matter. What gets me is the number of people that never seem to figure it out. The left says go team, fuck the righties and the right says go team, fuck the lefties, and they never figure out the game being run on them. Its truly amazing how effectively media and government together have achieved this. Edward Bernays would be proud.
 
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