Eventual war with Russia and China might be necessary if not inevitable (A.I., Drones, Oil, gold,)

[hillelslovak87]

A post nuclear world is survivable. It may not be pleasant, but time is a fix all for that. And if all you have to worry about is your own survivability because everyone else is ash, you've won.

Also you don't think. And no, you're stupidity is the devil's favorite pussy to slam.

Yeah, sounds like you've been watching a Boy and his Dog too much. But I gotta give it to you on that last sentence. A perfect encapsulation of psychosis.

 

[M3t4tr0n]

As opposed to what, shit American politics or chemtrails?

Lizards!

 

[mcveteran81]

Lizards!

They are falling out of tree is south Florida from the cold

 

[squeezewax]

So we have:

China, Russia, North Korea, Iran vs USA, Britain, France, Germany, The rest of NATO, Australia.

We'd be well and truly fucked! Especially as i wouldn't be surprized that some Western countries may possibly abandon the US and go with the other, newer superpower that's on the rise.
I think some believe America is on the decline and is no longer THE big guy on the playground anymore.
They see China as the future and may align with them to get in it's good books. Many Western militaries have seen so many cut-backs on budgets and personel over the years, they are weaker.
Or, all that i've written could be complete and utter bullshit?

 

[Videer]

There is no reason for China to team up with Russia.

 

[KnightTemplar]

1) (The most important reason) A.I warfare and drone warfare. Russia has a submarine nuclear drone. Think about that for a second guys.

Link Source 1 : https://www.rferl.org/a/russia-doomsday-weapon-us-draft-document/28983647.html

Link Source 2 : (national defense news) https://www.defensenews.com/space/2...ne-is-real-and-in-the-nuclear-posture-review/

Link Source 3 : (popular mechanics) http://www.popularmechanics.com/military/weapons/a24216/pentagon-confirm-russia-submarine-nuke/

Link Source 4 : (News week) http://www.newsweek.com/russia-drones-nuclear-weapons-pentagon-leak-781075

The Pentagon has confirmed that a new Russian nuclear delivery drone is real. The undersea drone, which carries an enormous nuclear warhead to destroy coastal cities and military bases, was tested late last month. The test was leaked by unnamed sources toThe Washington Free Beacon.

Russia calls the system "Ocean Multipurpose System 'Status-6," and it is allegedly capable of traveling underwater to distances of to 6,200 miles. It can submerge to depths of 3,280 feet and travel at speeds of up to 56 knots.

The U.S. intelligence agencies estimate Status-6 will carry a multi-megaton thermonuclear bomb payload. For comparisons' sake the bomb dropped on Hiroshima was 16 kilotons, several orders of magnitude smaller. A one megaton bomb is the equivalent of 1,000 kilotons—one one million tons of TNT. Reports from Russia indicate the bomb could be as large as 100 megatons.

Status-6 is designed to attack enemy coastal cities, ports, shipyards, and naval bases. Once Status-6 arrives at its destination it detonates the bomb, causing an enormous amount of damage through blast and heat. A 100 megaton bomb would generate artificial tsunamis, carrying the destruction far inshore.

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2) (Second most important reason) Russia and China have plans to supplant the petro dollar with their own currencies, ontop of which they have been minning the fuck out of gold to use as leverage to back their own economies. China is speculated to have 30k tonnes of gold, that means they have more then the U.S if true. What the fuck did people think was going to happen when they started doing this?

Link Source for China's gold 1 : http://www.gold-eagle.com/could-china-actually-have-30000-tonnes-gold-reserves

Link Source for China's gold 2 : https://www.moneyweb.co.za/mineweb/gold/could-china-actually-have-30000-tonnes-of-gold-in-reserves/

Link Source for Russia and China gold 3 :https://www.bullionstar.com/blogs/ronan-manly/neck-neck-russian-chinese-official-gold-reserves/

My own God dang under-appreciated thread on the Petro- Yuan : http://forums.sherdog.com/threads/c...eleased-date-01-18-18.3694355/#post-137694343

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War get ready for it.

Also the terrorist card is never dead. We made ISIS and Al Qaeda. They were deemed necessary tools to undermine Muslim nations ability to develop and further help or build economic relations with China and Russia. In a military perspective we needed to make terrorism so we could justify occupying the M.E. to keep the resources of the M.E out of the hands of these two giants, all the while suppressing a people we don't give a fuck about, that are ideologically opposed to us.

America and its 4D chess match skills on display for anyone with a fucking brain.

In other words, The War Against Terror has run out of steam. The Military/Industrial Complex can't sell weapons systems worth Billions to deal with a few Pedo Worshippers driving vans into crowds. They need a new Big Bad to scare people. Time for Cold War II: This Time it's Personal...

 

[original doom]

There is no reason for China to team up with Russia.

I agree they arent that close of allies.

 

[original doom]

Russia wont side with China because they will have united with Europe. Putin is either in on it or will be forced to go along.

 

[Deleted member 457759]

There is no reason for China to team up with Russia.

Russia would likeoly side with the west rather than China I believe. They want to be part of Europe and they know that China is nobodies ally.

 

[original doom]

You Americans are used dollars growing on trees with zero accountability. Other countries have to balance the books. China is in a precarious position of giving its citizens a western lifestyle while maintaining enough work for 1.3 BILLION people aka manufacturing cheap goods to sell to other nations.

Its kind of like the minimum wage debate you guys routinely have. China faces it aswell. The issue is does China have enough steam to cross over into a service economy while maintaining 6% growth and building like theres no tomorrow.

I think China blew its wad a few years ago hence the major stimulus program they initiated.

 

[original doom]

Putin knows why Soros funded and channelled all the former Islamic State and Al Nusra fighters into Europe. Merkel missed the memo although she might be realising to make an omelette you ahve to break a few eggs.

Yes those eggs are Germany if you dont understand deep state politics.

 

[kahiljabroni]

This drone nuclear sub is actually pretty genius and relatively simple. The issue with these enormous nuclear warheads is how do you transport them to the target? Well this solves that problem.

You can say that these subs are easily detectable but I have my doubts. We have the FAA and we couldn't stop a jumbo jet from taking down the towers.

Given the speed and depth of this weapon I don't think there is anyway we would detect it let alone stop it. Imagine cruising that think up the Chesapeake and as close as DC as possible. ... then I imagine you bring it to the surface just before detonation. It's more damaging to detonate above your target but with a bomb that size it wouldn't matter. You are talking about the obliteration of the entire city and all of the country's leaders if done at the right time.

Now the question is always why would they?

 

[Stoic1]

Ultimate zerglings.

 

[tramendous]

1) (The most important reason) A.I warfare and drone warfare. Russia has a submarine nuclear drone. Think about that for a second guys.

Link Source 1 : https://www.rferl.org/a/russia-doomsday-weapon-us-draft-document/28983647.html

Link Source 2 : (national defense news) https://www.defensenews.com/space/2...ne-is-real-and-in-the-nuclear-posture-review/

Link Source 3 : (popular mechanics) http://www.popularmechanics.com/military/weapons/a24216/pentagon-confirm-russia-submarine-nuke/

Link Source 4 : (News week) http://www.newsweek.com/russia-drones-nuclear-weapons-pentagon-leak-781075

The Pentagon has confirmed that a new Russian nuclear delivery drone is real. The undersea drone, which carries an enormous nuclear warhead to destroy coastal cities and military bases, was tested late last month. The test was leaked by unnamed sources toThe Washington Free Beacon.

Russia calls the system "Ocean Multipurpose System 'Status-6," and it is allegedly capable of traveling underwater to distances of to 6,200 miles. It can submerge to depths of 3,280 feet and travel at speeds of up to 56 knots.

The U.S. intelligence agencies estimate Status-6 will carry a multi-megaton thermonuclear bomb payload. For comparisons' sake the bomb dropped on Hiroshima was 16 kilotons, several orders of magnitude smaller. A one megaton bomb is the equivalent of 1,000 kilotons—one one million tons of TNT. Reports from Russia indicate the bomb could be as large as 100 megatons.

Status-6 is designed to attack enemy coastal cities, ports, shipyards, and naval bases. Once Status-6 arrives at its destination it detonates the bomb, causing an enormous amount of damage through blast and heat. A 100 megaton bomb would generate artificial tsunamis, carrying the destruction far inshore.

-----------------------------------------------


2) (Second most important reason) Russia and China have plans to supplant the petro dollar with their own currencies, ontop of which they have been minning the fuck out of gold to use as leverage to back their own economies. China is speculated to have 30k tonnes of gold, that means they have more then the U.S if true. What the fuck did people think was going to happen when they started doing this?

Link Source for China's gold 1 : http://www.gold-eagle.com/could-china-actually-have-30000-tonnes-gold-reserves

Link Source for China's gold 2 : https://www.moneyweb.co.za/mineweb/gold/could-china-actually-have-30000-tonnes-of-gold-in-reserves/

Link Source for Russia and China gold 3 :https://www.bullionstar.com/blogs/ronan-manly/neck-neck-russian-chinese-official-gold-reserves/

My own God dang under-appreciated thread on the Petro- Yuan : http://forums.sherdog.com/threads/c...eleased-date-01-18-18.3694355/#post-137694343

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War get ready for it.

Also the terrorist card is never dead. We made ISIS and Al Qaeda. They were deemed necessary tools to undermine Muslim nations ability to develop and further help or build economic relations with China and Russia. In a military perspective we needed to make terrorism so we could justify occupying the M.E. to keep the resources of the M.E out of the hands of these two giants, all the while suppressing a people we don't give a fuck about, that are ideologically opposed to us.

America and its 4D chess match skills on display for anyone with a fucking brain.

Whats the point of that nuclear drone? They can already destroy the US (and get destroyed in nuclear retaliation) with what they have.

 

[tramendous]

Because it firsts starts with A.I > Economics > Drone warfare.

The why is easy, drones and A.I make whoever strikes first win.

That makes no sense because the US has second strike capability. They have nuclear bases that will launch their own missiles, nuclear armed submarines and allies that have their own nukes. Its suicide for any side to start such a conflict. Even a small scale nuclear war between india snd Pakistan with just a 100 nukes would devastate the world.

http://www.nucleardarkness.org/warconsequences/fivemilliontonsofsmoke/

Lets say for the sake of argument that we entertain the fantasy that no US nuke reaches Russia in retaliation. The amount of smoke released from the raging firestorms of the US and other countries hit would have devastating effects on Russia.

These countries should reduce their arsenals to 50 nukes max. I know its a pipe dream, but its honestly insanity when you think you need 2000+ nukes.

 

[ITOT1]

Hahaha China was never shook of the US. Im here in Shanghai and these people here just laughs at the thought of US trying to interfere with the NK problem cuz they know damn well the US are all just talks and wont make a move. Trump is so so here, them Chinese arent worried about him. The US have strucked out big time.

China had bullied the Philippines into taking that disputed island and Obama was too chicken shit to do anything about it. Theyll continue to take close by islands out here as well and the West will be nowhere to stop it. They called their bluff and stacking up. They have the time and geography on their side and they know it. Lil brother Taiwan is on their sight and will be forced to joined them soon also.

TS is definitely right about the Chinese pushing that yuan for petro dollar and eventually it will happen soon enough and theyre positive that it will be.

China has no plans to invade the US soil, they're here to defend mainland China and make the intruder come to them as they lay and wait.

McArthur was right back then and should have bombed Yalu hahaha

Dont worry though cuz the US got those Marines grunts, Army grunts and Rangers that will fight tooth and nail in engaging an intensity, nasty combat. Ive talked to a few soldiers here and they place the US Marines in high regard.

 

[SummerStriker]

BS. The US were never attacking the middle east due to resources especially afghanistan. Tell me one thing Afghanistan has of resources?

Opium. You can't keep America drugged up when the taliban is enforcing islamic law.

 

[tramendous]

So we have:

China, Russia, North Korea, Iran vs USA, Britain, France, Germany, The rest of NATO, Australia.

We'd be well and truly fucked! Especially as i wouldn't be surprized that some Western countries may possibly abandon the US and go with the other, newer superpower that's on the rise.
I think some believe America is on the decline and is no longer THE big guy on the playground anymore.
They see China as the future and may align with them to get in it's good books. Many Western militaries have seen so many cut-backs on budgets and personel over the years, they are weaker.
Or, all that i've written could be complete and utter bullshit?

Things would happen so fast there wouldnt be time for any of that. Remember in WW1 when nobody could react to how fast the shit hit the fan. 1 archduke got assassinated and it set off a chain reaction of already in place policies and alliances that were basically automatically enacted.

But the above example would be nothing compared to a nuclear attack. There would be no time to decide who youre going to side with because most of these countries already have their alliances sorted out. If the US gets nuked, so will countries all over the world where US forces are stationed and those countries in turn would be dragged into it and they may have their own alliances. Its bye bye for human civilization.

 

[RIPWarrior]

Nuke military targets and leave cities alone. Too much burning and smoke in my opinion. Use biological weapons for population reduction.

 

[KnightTemplar]

Whatever doubts one may have regarding The Donald, it's a fact that China and Russia are run by grown ups. Mama Putin didn't raise no fools. Vlad the Impaler is one of the richest men in the world, with a personal fortune counted in the Billions - and that's in real money, not Roubles. No way he'd risk all he's achieved in a fight neither side could win.

Likewise, the Chinese Premier is as smart as he is ruthless; one does not rise to the highest office in a nation over a billion strong by being either stupid or nice. When Russian or Chinese politicians say that politics is a blood sport, they are not speaking metaphorically. Again, just like Putin, he's aware that as soon as the first Nuke hits American territory, China has effectively committed the largest mass suicide in history.

If Nukes ever are used, it will be by one of the wild cards. If I had to bet, my money would be on Pakistan and India. Both these nations lack the intelligence and pragmatism of China or Russia.