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update Judge Kozinski has retired
http://www.latimes.com/politics/la-pol-ca-judge-alex-kozinski-20171218-story.html
This is turning into a witch hunt. I am begining to wonder how many of these women are just trying to get attention at this point. Sure some of this sounds bad but a lot of things taken out of context look bad. Think about some of the stuff you've said here in the war room about immigrants or Muslims. In other setting that stuff might be wildly inappropriate. By analogy Konzinski might have had a flirty relationship with these clerks and now that the relationship has soured something that at the time was okay is being taken out of contest. i think the real lesson here is do not give people especially women control over you by given them potential ammunition. We as men need to start doing a better job protecting ourselves. Every called Mike Pence crazy a few months back for not eating with women other than his wife. Well Mike Pence is looking like a genius right now.
https://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo...ge-alex-kozinski-accused-of-sexual-harassment
Six women have accused a federal appeals court judge of sexual misconduct, according to the Washington Post.Alex Kozinski serves on the Court of Appeals for the 9th Circuit and was formerly that court's chief judge.
Heidi Bond, who clerked for Kozinski in 2006 and 2007, said he called her into his office and showed her pornography on his computer. He asked her if she thought the images were "photoshopped." He asked her if they turned her on.
Bond, who now authors romance novels under the name Courtney Milan, wrote on her website that such incidents happened at least three times. She wrote that he also showed her a chart he made in college showing all the women he had had sex with and telling her not to tell any of the other clerks about it. She wrote about the incidents: "When this happened, I felt like a prey animal—as if I had to make myself small. If I did, if I never admitted to having any emotions at all, I would get through it."
A woman named Emily Murphy, who clerked for a different judge on the 9th circuit, told the Washington Post of an incident when she was having a conversation about exercise with some other clerks. Kozinski interrupted to say that she should work out naked. According to Murphy and two others who were present, she tried to switch the subject without success.
Murphy told the Post, "It wasn't just clear that he was imagining me naked, he was trying to invite other people — my professional colleagues — to do so as well."
In a statement to the Post, Kozinski said, "I have been a judge for 35 years and during that time have had over 500 employees in my chambers. I treat all of my employees as family and workvery closely with most of them. I would never intentionally do anything to offend anyone and it is regrettable that a handful have been offended by something I may have said or done."
In 2008, the Los Angeles Times reported that Kozinski had an email list that he used to distribute rude jokes, some of which were sexually explicit. The paper also reported that he had a publicly accessible website that contained pornography.
An investigation determined that he had not intended for the public to be able to access that website and that Kozinski's "conduct exhibiting poor judgement with respect to this material created a public controversy that can reasonably be seen as having resulted in embarrassment to the federal judiciary."
Kozinski, 67, has previously dealt with the issue of sexual harassment in his role as a judge. In 1991, he joined an opinion that said cases should be decided from the point of view of the victim, using the "reasonable woman" standard. The Post quotes Kozinski's writings about sexual harassment in 1992 in which he said that men "must be aware of the boundaries of propriety and learn to stay well within them." Women, he wrote, "must be vigilant of their rights, but must also have some forgiveness for human foibles: misplaced humor, misunderstanding or just plain stupidity."
http://www.latimes.com/politics/la-pol-ca-judge-alex-kozinski-20171218-story.html
This is turning into a witch hunt. I am begining to wonder how many of these women are just trying to get attention at this point. Sure some of this sounds bad but a lot of things taken out of context look bad. Think about some of the stuff you've said here in the war room about immigrants or Muslims. In other setting that stuff might be wildly inappropriate. By analogy Konzinski might have had a flirty relationship with these clerks and now that the relationship has soured something that at the time was okay is being taken out of contest. i think the real lesson here is do not give people especially women control over you by given them potential ammunition. We as men need to start doing a better job protecting ourselves. Every called Mike Pence crazy a few months back for not eating with women other than his wife. Well Mike Pence is looking like a genius right now.
https://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo...ge-alex-kozinski-accused-of-sexual-harassment
Six women have accused a federal appeals court judge of sexual misconduct, according to the Washington Post.Alex Kozinski serves on the Court of Appeals for the 9th Circuit and was formerly that court's chief judge.
Heidi Bond, who clerked for Kozinski in 2006 and 2007, said he called her into his office and showed her pornography on his computer. He asked her if she thought the images were "photoshopped." He asked her if they turned her on.
Bond, who now authors romance novels under the name Courtney Milan, wrote on her website that such incidents happened at least three times. She wrote that he also showed her a chart he made in college showing all the women he had had sex with and telling her not to tell any of the other clerks about it. She wrote about the incidents: "When this happened, I felt like a prey animal—as if I had to make myself small. If I did, if I never admitted to having any emotions at all, I would get through it."
A woman named Emily Murphy, who clerked for a different judge on the 9th circuit, told the Washington Post of an incident when she was having a conversation about exercise with some other clerks. Kozinski interrupted to say that she should work out naked. According to Murphy and two others who were present, she tried to switch the subject without success.
Murphy told the Post, "It wasn't just clear that he was imagining me naked, he was trying to invite other people — my professional colleagues — to do so as well."
In a statement to the Post, Kozinski said, "I have been a judge for 35 years and during that time have had over 500 employees in my chambers. I treat all of my employees as family and workvery closely with most of them. I would never intentionally do anything to offend anyone and it is regrettable that a handful have been offended by something I may have said or done."
In 2008, the Los Angeles Times reported that Kozinski had an email list that he used to distribute rude jokes, some of which were sexually explicit. The paper also reported that he had a publicly accessible website that contained pornography.
An investigation determined that he had not intended for the public to be able to access that website and that Kozinski's "conduct exhibiting poor judgement with respect to this material created a public controversy that can reasonably be seen as having resulted in embarrassment to the federal judiciary."
Kozinski, 67, has previously dealt with the issue of sexual harassment in his role as a judge. In 1991, he joined an opinion that said cases should be decided from the point of view of the victim, using the "reasonable woman" standard. The Post quotes Kozinski's writings about sexual harassment in 1992 in which he said that men "must be aware of the boundaries of propriety and learn to stay well within them." Women, he wrote, "must be vigilant of their rights, but must also have some forgiveness for human foibles: misplaced humor, misunderstanding or just plain stupidity."
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