FightMetric's stats show Khabib Nurmagomedov is the #1 P4P, followed by DJ and GSP

The UFC's p4p fighter rankings seem pretty arbitrary and more of a popularity contest rather than on actual merit.

UFC's P4P Fighter Rankings
  1. Demetrious Johnson
  2. Conor McGregor
  3. Daniel Cormier
  4. Stipe Miocic
  5. Max Holloway
  6. Georges St-Pierre
  7. TJ Dillashaw
  8. Tyron Woodley
  9. Tony Ferguson
  10. Robert Whittaker
  11. Cody Garbrandt
  12. Khabib Nurmagomedov
(Conor, who hasn't fought in nearly 2 years, is higher ranked than GSP, who moved up in weight and beaten a bigger fighter?)
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Based on FightMetric and Sherdog's statistics on fighters' skills in striking, standup grappling, and ground grappling, this is what the P4P rankings would look like:

P4P Fighter Rankings based on FightMetric Stats:

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  1. Khabib Nurmagomedov
  2. Demetrious Johnson
  3. GSP
  4. Tyron Woodley
  5. TJ Dillashaw
  6. Tony Ferguson
  7. Daniel Cormier
  8. Max Holloway
  9. Stipe Miocic
  10. Robert Whittaker
  11. Conor McGregor
  12. Cody Garbrandt
Striking

Offensive: (Significant strikes per minute, striking % accuracy)
  1. Max Holloway (6.2, 43%)
  2. Conor McGregor (5.82, 47%)
  3. TJ Dillashaw (5.26, 40%)
  4. Tony Ferguson (5.09, 42%)
  5. Robert Whittaker (4.77, 41%)
  6. Stipe Miocic (4.75, 51%)
  7. Khabib Nurmagomedov (4.11, 50%)
  8. Daniel Cormier (3.84, 49%)
  9. Georges St-Pierre (3.78, 53%)
  10. Cody Garbrandt (3.45, 37%)
  11. Demetrious Johnson (3.44, 54%)
  12. Tyron Woodley (2.48, 47%)
Defensive: (Significant strikes absorbed per minute, % of strikes avoided, loss by (T)KO)
  1. Khabib Nurmagomedov (1.52, 70%, 0)
  2. Demetrious Johnson (1.64, 67%, 0)
  3. Tony Ferguson (3.48, 64%, 0)
  4. Max Holloway (3.9, 65%, 0)
  5. Conor McGregor (4.55, 57%, 0)
  6. Georges St-Pierre (1.4, 72%, 1)
  7. Tyron Woodley (2.35, 61%, 1)
  8. Daniel Cormier (2.47, 58%, 1)
  9. Stipe Miocic (2.88, 63%, 1)
  10. TJ Dillashaw (2.91, 66%, 1)
  11. Cody Garbrandt (2.99, 69%, 1)
  12. Robert Whittaker (3.50, 62%, 1)


Stand-up grappling

Offensive: (takedown per 15 minutes, takedown accuracy %)
  1. Khabib Nurmagomedov (5.85, 45%)
  2. Georges St-Pierre (4.16, 74%)
  3. Demetrious Johnson (3.54, 56%)
  4. Stipe Miocic (2.35, 37%)
  5. Daniel Cormier (1.89, 42%)
  6. TJ Dillashaw (1.73, 37%)
  7. Tyron Woodley (1.40, 45%)
  8. Cody Garbrandt (1.06, 38%)
  9. Conor McGregor (0.92, 65%)
  10. Tony Ferguson (0.64, 42%)
  11. Robert Whittaker (0.44, 66%)
  12. Max Holloway (0.28, 80%)
Defensive: (takedown defense %)
  1. Cody Garbrandt (100%)
  2. Tyron Woodley (94%)
  3. Robert Whittaker (86%)
  4. TJ Dillashaw (85%)
  5. Georges St-Pierre (83%)
  6. Khabib Nurmagomedov (83%)
  7. Max Holloway (83%)
  8. Daniel Cormier (80%)
  9. Tony Ferguson (76%)
  10. Stipe Miocic (75%)
  11. Conor McGregor (73%)
  12. Demetrious Johnson (65%)


Ground grappling

Offensive: (submission attempts per 15 minutes, win by submission)
  1. Demetrious Johnson (0.6, 11)
  2. Tony Ferguson (1.6, 8)
  3. Khabib Nurmagomedov (0.5, 8)
  4. Georges St-Pierre (1.1, 6)
  5. Tyron Woodley (0.5, 5)
  6. Robert Whittaker (0, 5)
  7. Daniel Cormier (0.5, 4)
  8. TJ Dillashaw (1, 3)
  9. Max Holloway (0.5, 2)
  10. Conor McGregor (0, 1)
  11. Stipe Miocic (0, 0)
  12. Cody Garbrandt (0, 0)
Defensive: (loss by submission / number of fights)
  1. Demetrious Johnson (0 / 30)
  2. Khabib Nurmagomedov (0 / 25)
  3. Tyron Woodley (0 / 22)
  4. Daniel Cormier (0 / 22)
  5. Stipe Miocic (0 / 20)
  6. TJ Dillashaw (0 / 19)
  7. Cody Garbrandt (0 / 12)
  8. Georges St-Pierre (1 / 28)
  9. Tony Ferguson (1 / 27)
  10. Robert Whittaker (1 / 24)
  11. Max Holloway (1 / 22)
  12. Conor McGregor (3 / 24)
But all of those "stats" don't factor in when it comes to rankings. It's primarily who beats who, who wins a title and how many title defenses a fighter has.


Seriously, how can someone be P4P #1 without even winning a title?
 
How did Khabib get that high a sub rating of 10 when he's averaging .5 sub attempts a fight?

What about stats like cardio, heart, chin? Your lists dont take any of those into account
 
Khabib should be higher in the P4P rankings.
Definitely should be. If he beats Tony he should enter the top 6, and then (assuming he took care of business with Ferguson) if Khabib fight McGregor I would consider the winner of that fight to be the overall p4p #1.
 
But all of those "stats" don't factor in when it comes to rankings. It's primarily who beats who, who wins a title and how many title defenses a fighter has.


Seriously, how can someone be P4P #1 without even winning a title?

P4P, by definition, is when weight differences are ignored, who has the best skills.

So basically, I just went to FightMetric and gathered the offensive and defensive stats for striking, takedown/tdd, ground game, and see who has overall the most points.
 
Ofc Khabibs fighting style will get the best stats, heavy wrestling and weak GnP on top. You wont get hit and you will land a lot of strikes and TDs.
 
Statistics don't really work without taking into account quality of opponent and their strengths and weaknesses.

For instance landing a takedown on Carlos Condit is not the same as landing a takedown on Woodley.
 
P4P, by definition, is when weight differences are ignored, who has the best skills.

So basically, I just went to FightMetric and gathered the offensive and defensive stats for striking, takedown/tdd, ground game, and see who has overall the most points.

"Skills" is subjective too though. Is cadio a "skill"? It sure goes a hell of a long way in determining the outcome of a lot of fights right? What about durability? Having a great chin isn't generally considered a "skill" by most people, but it sure as hell matters in determining who a better fighter is.

See what I mean? Your definition of what P4P is "by definition" is already crumbling depending on what you consider a "skill". And since there's no universally accepted list of what "skills" are, you can't use your definition of P4P.

I'm not saying what you are putting together isn't interesting, but in the end it really is just as arbitrary as the rankings you were trying to challenge.
 
Seems right way he dominates people. LOL Connie not even top 10. That seems right too way he fights no one.
 
"Skills" is subjective too though. Is cadio a "skill"? It sure goes a hell of a long way in determining the outcome of a lot of fights right? What about durability? Having a great chin isn't generally considered a "skill" by most people, but it sure as hell matters in determining who a better fighter is.

See what I mean? Your definition of what P4P is "by definition" is already crumbling depending on what you consider a "skill". And since there's no universally accepted list of what "skills" are, you can't use your definition of P4P.

I'm not saying what you are putting together isn't interesting, but in the end it really is just as arbitrary as the rankings you were trying to challenge.

I totally agree with you. There are more to a fighter than just Offensive/Defensive Striking, wrestling, and ground game. The FightMetric stats are definitely incomplete and don't tell us all the skillsets, such as cardio, heart, chin, etc.

While the stats are limited, a P4P list based on stats and measurable numbers are less subjective than a P4P list that is based on votes cast by MMA news media.
 
I totally agree with you. There are more to a fighter than just Offensive/Defensive Striking, wrestling, and ground game. The FightMetric stats are definitely incomplete and don't tell us all the skillsets, such as cardio, heart, chin, etc.

While the stats are limited, a P4P list based on stats and measurable numbers are less subjective than a P4P list that is based on votes cast by MMA news media.

I disagree. Because unlike the stats, those people can watch fights and SEE things like cardio, chin, fight IQ, etc. etc. They can take into account the measurables, then combine them with the other stuff. Doesn't mean they always necessarily do it perfectly in combining their lists imo, but at least the CHANCE is there for them to do it.

Using only stats, there is literally no way to incorporate the other stuff that plays such a vital role in determining a fighter's capabilities.
 
The problem with that is that it accounts for 6 variables which have to do with grappling and 4 that have to do with striking. They should at least remove "submission attempts" because thats no more significant than a "punch attempt."
 
Rankings are cool and all , but we all know the bigger fighters ie (MW and some WW to HW) are the fighters who can beat any fighter on a given day. I don't really like when people say DJ is in the GOAT topic, 3/4 of the male roster can beat the shit out of him .
 
I disagree. Because unlike the stats, those people can watch fights and SEE things like cardio, chin, fight IQ, etc. etc. They can take into account the measurables, then combine them with the other stuff. Doesn't mean they always necessarily do it perfectly in combining their lists imo, but at least the CHANCE is there for them to do it.

Using only stats, there is literally no way to incorporate the other stuff that plays such a vital role in determining a fighter's capabilities.

Outside of the people that does fight stats, rarely anyone who watches fight take into account all the stats for all the measurable skills, considering the fact that it would take way too much time. It took me a few hours just to gather and organize the exist data on 3 areas - Striking, Wrestling, and Ground.

In addition, when media people vote, their personal bias comes into play, and nonmeasureable qualities such as "fight IQ" or "heart" can get interpreted differently.

For example, Tyron Woodley is selective with his attacks and gets hit very little. A media person who has a personal bias in favor of Woodley might give him an extra high rating for "fight IQ," whereas someone else who is biased against Woodley would interpret his defensive style as "lack of heart."

Basically, this would make the P4P ranking as "which fighter do I like more"-ranking.

Using measureable stats eliminates that.
 
The UFC's p4p fighter rankings seem pretty arbitrary and more of a popularity contest rather than on actual merit.

UFC's P4P Fighter Rankings
  1. Demetrious Johnson
  2. Conor McGregor
  3. Daniel Cormier
  4. Stipe Miocic
  5. Max Holloway
  6. Georges St-Pierre
  7. TJ Dillashaw
  8. Tyron Woodley
  9. Tony Ferguson
  10. Robert Whittaker
  11. Cody Garbrandt
  12. Khabib Nurmagomedov
(Conor, who hasn't fought in nearly 2 years, is higher ranked than GSP, who moved up in weight and beaten a bigger fighter?)
______________________________​
Based on FightMetric and Sherdog's statistics on fighters' skills in striking, standup grappling, and ground grappling, this is what the P4P rankings would look like:

P4P Fighter Rankings based on FightMetric Stats:

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  1. Khabib Nurmagomedov
  2. Demetrious Johnson
  3. GSP
  4. Tyron Woodley
  5. TJ Dillashaw
  6. Tony Ferguson
  7. Daniel Cormier
  8. Max Holloway
  9. Stipe Miocic
  10. Robert Whittaker
  11. Conor McGregor
  12. Cody Garbrandt
Striking

Offensive: (Significant strikes per minute, striking % accuracy)
  1. Max Holloway (6.2, 43%)
  2. Conor McGregor (5.82, 47%)
  3. TJ Dillashaw (5.26, 40%)
  4. Tony Ferguson (5.09, 42%)
  5. Robert Whittaker (4.77, 41%)
  6. Stipe Miocic (4.75, 51%)
  7. Khabib Nurmagomedov (4.11, 50%)
  8. Daniel Cormier (3.84, 49%)
  9. Georges St-Pierre (3.78, 53%)
  10. Cody Garbrandt (3.45, 37%)
  11. Demetrious Johnson (3.44, 54%)
  12. Tyron Woodley (2.48, 47%)
Defensive: (Significant strikes absorbed per minute, % of strikes avoided, loss by (T)KO)
  1. Khabib Nurmagomedov (1.52, 70%, 0)
  2. Demetrious Johnson (1.64, 67%, 0)
  3. Tony Ferguson (3.48, 64%, 0)
  4. Max Holloway (3.9, 65%, 0)
  5. Conor McGregor (4.55, 57%, 0)
  6. Georges St-Pierre (1.4, 72%, 1)
  7. Tyron Woodley (2.35, 61%, 1)
  8. Daniel Cormier (2.47, 58%, 1)
  9. Stipe Miocic (2.88, 63%, 1)
  10. TJ Dillashaw (2.91, 66%, 1)
  11. Cody Garbrandt (2.99, 69%, 1)
  12. Robert Whittaker (3.50, 62%, 1)


Stand-up grappling

Offensive: (takedown per 15 minutes, takedown accuracy %)
  1. Khabib Nurmagomedov (5.85, 45%)
  2. Georges St-Pierre (4.16, 74%)
  3. Demetrious Johnson (3.54, 56%)
  4. Stipe Miocic (2.35, 37%)
  5. Daniel Cormier (1.89, 42%)
  6. TJ Dillashaw (1.73, 37%)
  7. Tyron Woodley (1.40, 45%)
  8. Cody Garbrandt (1.06, 38%)
  9. Conor McGregor (0.92, 65%)
  10. Tony Ferguson (0.64, 42%)
  11. Robert Whittaker (0.44, 66%)
  12. Max Holloway (0.28, 80%)
Defensive: (takedown defense %)
  1. Cody Garbrandt (100%)
  2. Tyron Woodley (94%)
  3. Robert Whittaker (86%)
  4. TJ Dillashaw (85%)
  5. Georges St-Pierre (83%)
  6. Khabib Nurmagomedov (83%)
  7. Max Holloway (83%)
  8. Daniel Cormier (80%)
  9. Tony Ferguson (76%)
  10. Stipe Miocic (75%)
  11. Conor McGregor (73%)
  12. Demetrious Johnson (65%)


Ground grappling

Offensive: (submission attempts per 15 minutes, win by submission)
  1. Demetrious Johnson (0.6, 11)
  2. Tony Ferguson (1.6, 8)
  3. Khabib Nurmagomedov (0.5, 8)
  4. Georges St-Pierre (1.1, 6)
  5. Tyron Woodley (0.5, 5)
  6. Robert Whittaker (0, 5)
  7. Daniel Cormier (0.5, 4)
  8. TJ Dillashaw (1, 3)
  9. Max Holloway (0.5, 2)
  10. Conor McGregor (0, 1)
  11. Stipe Miocic (0, 0)
  12. Cody Garbrandt (0, 0)
Defensive: (loss by submission / number of fights)
  1. Demetrious Johnson (0 / 30)
  2. Khabib Nurmagomedov (0 / 25)
  3. Tyron Woodley (0 / 22)
  4. Daniel Cormier (0 / 22)
  5. Stipe Miocic (0 / 20)
  6. TJ Dillashaw (0 / 19)
  7. Cody Garbrandt (0 / 12)
  8. Georges St-Pierre (1 / 28)
  9. Tony Ferguson (1 / 27)
  10. Robert Whittaker (1 / 24)
  11. Max Holloway (1 / 22)
  12. Conor McGregor (3 / 24)

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That list means absolutely nothing.
 
Khabib has only 6 UFC fights on his record. His career defining victory is Michael Johnson. Why is he even on that list?
 
The problem with that is that it accounts for 6 variables which have to do with grappling and 4 that have to do with striking. They should at least remove "submission attempts" because thats no more significant than a "punch attempt."

Good point! I took this into account when looking at the submission stats, so only submission attacks that resulted in a win counts.

For example: DJ is highest on the submission ranking, because he has 11 sub wins compared to 8 submission wins by Ferguson.

Also, when fighters have equal number of submission wins, the fighters who has higher submission attempts in his fights are ranked higher (e.g. Ferguson > Khabib).

  1. Demetrious Johnson (0.6, 11 submission wins)
  2. Tony Ferguson (1.6, 8 submission wins)
  3. Khabib Nurmagomedov (0.5, 8 submission wins)
  4. Georges St-Pierre (1.1, 6 submission wins)
 
Its a joke Conor is so high on the p4p, absolute nonsense. IF he ever fights again anytime this century and he loses, I'm sure he will still be p4p number 1 or 2 with the circus known as the UFC
 
Nurmagomedov will eventually rise to greatest mixed martial artist of all time, it is his purpose.
 
DC, GSP and Conor are proven p4p.

This. Exactly.
I cannot understand how the UFC can fool their auditory by putting a fighter who has a loss at BW and no wins at other weight classes a p4p #1, just because of some imagination.

Even though inactive for a long time Conor has proven he belongs to the top of the p4p list since he obliterated two champions.

GSP proved he belongs to the top as well.

So is DC. We know for sure that he can make a splash at HW.

What do we know about MM?
That he can lose competitively at the higher class. Still not enough to solidify him as a top pound for pound fighter.
 
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