FightMetric's stats show Khabib Nurmagomedov is the #1 P4P, followed by DJ and GSP

This scoring is more arbitrary than a 10 point must system. How in the hell does all categories get treated equally with points and ignoring the gaps between each fighter in each category help figure out anything?
 
Mohawk Banditó said:
This scoring is more arbitrary than a 10 point must system. How in the hell does all categories get treated equally with points and ignoring the gaps between each fighter in each category help figure out anything?
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I don't see how it is arbitrary.

The scoring works by looking at all 3 main areas of MMA as a whole and treating them all equally: Striking, Takedown, Ground.

For example, a fighter who scores high in all areas (e.g. GSP has great striking, wrestling, and ground game) is ranked higher on the P4P list than a fighter who scores high in one area but is deficient in others (e.g. McGregor, who is only great at striking).
 
Does this factor in avoiding USADA?

I'd say that's probably #3 most important thing in MMA over a good sub game these days.
 
JoeRoganade said:
Khabib has only 6 UFC fights on his record. His career defining victory is Michael Johnson. Why is he even on that list?
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He has 9. How can you talk about level of competition he's faced if you dont even know how many UFC fights he has?
 
12ga. said:
He has 9. How can you talk about level of competition he's faced if you dont even know how many UFC fights he has?
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I see 6 but even 9...he has no business being ranked as high as he is. Most of the people he best were cans.
 
MMAart said:
The UFC's p4p fighter rankings seem pretty arbitrary and more of a popularity contest rather than on actual merit.

UFC's P4P Fighter Rankings​
  1. Demetrious Johnson
  2. Conor McGregor
  3. Daniel Cormier
  4. Stipe Miocic
  5. Max Holloway
  6. Georges St-Pierre
  7. TJ Dillashaw
  8. Tyron Woodley
  9. Tony Ferguson
  10. Robert Whittaker
  11. Cody Garbrandt
  12. Khabib Nurmagomedov
(Conor, who hasn't fought in nearly 2 years, is higher ranked than GSP, who moved up in weight and beaten a bigger fighter?)
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Based on FightMetric and Sherdog's statistics on fighters' skills in striking, standup grappling, and ground grappling, this is what the P4P rankings would look like:

P4P Fighter Rankings based on FightMetric Stats:

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  1. Khabib Nurmagomedov
  2. Demetrious Johnson
  3. GSP
  4. Tyron Woodley
  5. TJ Dillashaw
  6. Tony Ferguson
  7. Daniel Cormier
  8. Max Holloway
  9. Stipe Miocic
  10. Robert Whittaker
  11. Conor McGregor
  12. Cody Garbrandt
Striking

Offensive: (Significant strikes per minute, striking % accuracy)
  1. Max Holloway (6.2, 43%)
  2. Conor McGregor (5.82, 47%)
  3. TJ Dillashaw (5.26, 40%)
  4. Tony Ferguson (5.09, 42%)
  5. Robert Whittaker (4.77, 41%)
  6. Stipe Miocic (4.75, 51%)
  7. Khabib Nurmagomedov (4.11, 50%)
  8. Daniel Cormier (3.84, 49%)
  9. Georges St-Pierre (3.78, 53%)
  10. Cody Garbrandt (3.45, 37%)
  11. Demetrious Johnson (3.44, 54%)
  12. Tyron Woodley (2.48, 47%)
Defensive: (Significant strikes absorbed per minute, % of strikes avoided, loss by (T)KO)
  1. Khabib Nurmagomedov (1.52, 70%, 0)
  2. Demetrious Johnson (1.64, 67%, 0)
  3. Tony Ferguson (3.48, 64%, 0)
  4. Max Holloway (3.9, 65%, 0)
  5. Conor McGregor (4.55, 57%, 0)
  6. Georges St-Pierre (1.4, 72%, 1)
  7. Tyron Woodley (2.35, 61%, 1)
  8. Daniel Cormier (2.47, 58%, 1)
  9. Stipe Miocic (2.88, 63%, 1)
  10. TJ Dillashaw (2.91, 66%, 1)
  11. Cody Garbrandt (2.99, 69%, 1)
  12. Robert Whittaker (3.50, 62%, 1)


Stand-up grappling

Offensive: (takedown per 15 minutes, takedown accuracy %)
  1. Khabib Nurmagomedov (5.85, 45%)
  2. Georges St-Pierre (4.16, 74%)
  3. Demetrious Johnson (3.54, 56%)
  4. Stipe Miocic (2.35, 37%)
  5. Daniel Cormier (1.89, 42%)
  6. TJ Dillashaw (1.73, 37%)
  7. Tyron Woodley (1.40, 45%)
  8. Cody Garbrandt (1.06, 38%)
  9. Conor McGregor (0.92, 65%)
  10. Tony Ferguson (0.64, 42%)
  11. Robert Whittaker (0.44, 66%)
  12. Max Holloway (0.28, 80%)
Defensive: (takedown defense %)
  1. Cody Garbrandt (100%)
  2. Tyron Woodley (94%)
  3. Robert Whittaker (86%)
  4. TJ Dillashaw (85%)
  5. Georges St-Pierre (83%)
  6. Khabib Nurmagomedov (83%)
  7. Max Holloway (83%)
  8. Daniel Cormier (80%)
  9. Tony Ferguson (76%)
  10. Stipe Miocic (75%)
  11. Conor McGregor (73%)
  12. Demetrious Johnson (65%)


Ground grappling

Offensive: (submission attempts per 15 minutes, win by submission)
  1. Demetrious Johnson (0.6, 11)
  2. Tony Ferguson (1.6, 8)
  3. Khabib Nurmagomedov (0.5, 8)
  4. Georges St-Pierre (1.1, 6)
  5. Tyron Woodley (0.5, 5)
  6. Robert Whittaker (0, 5)
  7. Daniel Cormier (0.5, 4)
  8. TJ Dillashaw (1, 3)
  9. Max Holloway (0.5, 2)
  10. Conor McGregor (0, 1)
  11. Stipe Miocic (0, 0)
  12. Cody Garbrandt (0, 0)
Defensive: (loss by submission / number of fights)
  1. Demetrious Johnson (0 / 30)
  2. Khabib Nurmagomedov (0 / 25)
  3. Tyron Woodley (0 / 22)
  4. Daniel Cormier (0 / 22)
  5. Stipe Miocic (0 / 20)
  6. TJ Dillashaw (0 / 19)
  7. Cody Garbrandt (0 / 12)
  8. Georges St-Pierre (1 / 28)
  9. Tony Ferguson (1 / 27)
  10. Robert Whittaker (1 / 24)
  11. Max Holloway (1 / 22)
  12. Conor McGregor (3 / 24)
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use fightmatrix or scorecardmma much better math based p4p

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MMAart said:
I don't see how it is arbitrary.

The scoring works by looking at all 3 main areas of MMA as a whole and treating them all equally: Striking, Takedown, Ground.

For example, a fighter who scores high in all areas (e.g. GSP has great striking, wrestling, and ground game) is ranked higher on the P4P list than a fighter who scores high in one area but is deficient in others (e.g. McGregor, who is only great at striking).
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Well aside from stats being quantity without context, like how a guy scores more significant strikes than an opponent but would still lose a fight because his opponent's significant strikes were MORE significant for any reason from hand speed causing them to land cleaner or overall power or because his strikes landed standing as opposed to weaker ground strikes. We're still talking about equal categories 'working' hand in hand with the gaps being treated equally. As if Stipe getting ranked 1 step higher than Cormier in offensive wrestling, by what I can only imagine is the slimmest of margins with how questionable that is, being treated equally to Woodley's offensive wrestling being 1 step better than Cody Garbrandt's. Like I said, it's basically as worthless as a 10-point-must system.

That's not even starting on how some of these shouldn't even be evaluated for their small sample size compared to others. I can only guess how much easier it is to evaluate Woodley's 809 attempted strikes vs his 8 attempted takedowns.
 
Interesting, but as always raw stats don’t tell the whole story.
I mean Khabib at #7 p4p offensive striker!? He lands a lot on the ground and there decent for arm punches but can’t agree with that.
 
MMAart said:
Outside of the people that does fight stats, rarely anyone who watches fight take into account all the stats for all the measurable skills, considering the fact that it would take way too much time. It took me a few hours just to gather and organize the exist data on 3 areas - Striking, Wrestling, and Ground.

In addition, when media people vote, their personal bias comes into play, and nonmeasureable qualities such as "fight IQ" or "heart" can get interpreted differently.

For example, Tyron Woodley is selective with his attacks and gets hit very little. A media person who has a personal bias in favor of Woodley might give him an extra high rating for "fight IQ," whereas someone else who is biased against Woodley would interpret his defensive style as "lack of heart."

Basically, this would make the P4P ranking as "which fighter do I like more"-ranking.

Using measureable stats eliminates that.
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It's the "lesser of two evils" to have humans do it. Yeah bias comes in-but that's obviously a fair trade off for not completely ignoring stuff that is absolutely vital to the makeup of a fighter.

Mostly I post in the MMA betting forum. We all put our $ on these fights. And when we handicap them cardio is a HUGE factor taken into account in basically every fight. Your stats completely ignore it! That's just one example.

Neither system is perfect but the one that at least ALLOWS for the complete makeup of a fighter is superior. And it's not even close.
 
None of that means dick if Romero beats Bobby knuckles in a rematch.
 
Melas Chasma said:
Relatively weak, yes. It allows the fight last longer and him getting his sig.strikes per minute stat high.
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He doesn't rank high for significant striking.

Khabib is only ranked 7th out of 12 top p4p (under the 50%) for significant striking.

It is the striking defense that he excels at, where he is ranked #1.
 
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