Germans want Donald Trump to pull US troops out of Germany

[OverCoronavirus Pressure]

City of God GOAT Brazil movie.

Apart from Gilliam, but that's a horse of a different color whistling a different tune to the beat of his own drum

 

[ObamaPhoneLady]

The US should pull their troops out of every country imo. Let them fend for themselves.

 

[SaiWa]

NATO had a good run, but it's simply doesn't make much sense since the victory in the Cold War. It's a defensive alliance but there's no external threat that defines it. At this point NATO might be doing more harm than good for both the US and Europe.

NATO is what prompted US allies to join in and help the US in the Afghanistan and Iraq War. I believe NATO support was still going on in Afghanistan as late as two years ago.

Considering the help we received not too long ago I'd say NATO is still useful IMO.

 

[Lord Coke]

Look at the world before 1950. Look at the world today.

Birth rates are up, infant mortality is down, life expectency is up, gdp has grown virtually everywhere. The benefit of American intervention is obvious.

What about when non-intervention goes bad? What happens if we didn't intervene in WW1 or WW2? Look what happened in WW2 because we sat on the sidelines for so long.

I am not saying there is never a time to intervene. I think there is a strong argument there was no need to get involved in WWI. But WWII I think we were had to get involved sooner or later because the conflict would eventually impact the US directly. I am just saying that if things don't directly impact the US we should not risk our people. We should be like Japan and just send money.

Also I dispute your claim that birth rates are up. They were up in the 50s but in the First world they are currently way down even in China.
http://www.businessinsider.com/africas-population-explosion-will-change-humanity-2015-8
"More than half of global population growth between now and 2050 is expected to occur in Africa," says the United Nations report. "Of the additional 2.4 billion people projected to be added to the global population between 2015 and 2050, 1.3 billion will be added in Africa."

After 2050, Africa is projected to be the only major area that has a continually growing population, meaning that it will house 25% of the global population in 2010 and 39% in 2100.

 

[Rational Poster]

I am not saying there is never a time to intervene. I think there is a strong argument there was no need to get involved in WWI. But WWII I think we were had to get involved sooner or later because the conflict would eventually impact the US directly. I am just saying that if things don't directly impact the US we should not risk our people. We should be like Japan and just send money.

Also I dispute your claim that birth rates are up. They were up in the 50s but in the First world they are currently way down even in China.
http://www.businessinsider.com/africas-population-explosion-will-change-humanity-2015-8
"More than half of global population growth between now and 2050 is expected to occur in Africa," says the United Nations report. "Of the additional 2.4 billion people projected to be added to the global population between 2015 and 2050, 1.3 billion will be added in Africa."

After 2050, Africa is projected to be the only major area that has a continually growing population, meaning that it will house 25% of the global population in 2010 and 39% in 2100.

Dude look at the population in 1950 globally vs today. It's like night and day. Who cares where the growth is, we're all on the same team. Why is it so bad if we help other people? What else can we really obtain? Is your cell phone based life not easy enough yet?

Do you think Africa would be growing like it is without American intervention, aid, and technical assistance?

American intervention and the spreading of our culture has been a net benefit for the world and our own country without a single doubt in my mind.

Retreating behind our walls is not only cowardly it's irresponsible.

 

[SMillard]

Not enough. We don't really need them though. They need us. They have been living under our umbrella for what, 70 years now?
NATO is a cold war relic that is nothing more than a fiscal burden at this point.

I'm sure the families of those that died would really appreciate your sentiment that their loved ones dying for a war that isn't theirs "not enough". I know I know, you don't care.

You do realize that the portion the US spends on "NATO" is roughly $430 million, the US spends about $440 million for the annual deployment of a carrier task force, not buying the carrier (which current costs for three Ford class carrier is approximately $43 Billion) but things like payroll for the roughly 6,000 personnel, feeding them, maintenance, fuel for the support craft, etc.. Also add to that the base in Germany is a major hub for the transport and treatment of injured US personnel in places like Africa, Iraq and Afghanistan, not to mention a major jump point for deployments. It took the US months to building up for Desert Storm, and "Iraqi Freedom" and that was with them pulling resources from European/German bases. Imagine how long that would have taken if we didn't have those bases. So if you pull all those troops out of Europe/Germany you will need to up the deployment of Navy assets, which will mean all that money you saved will be spent in one carrier task force's annual deployment and you'll need a larger navy to take up the slack, not to mention that some of these places (not in Germany, but others) are places our ships port at, so now you'd have to negotiate port usage, which people are going to charge you for. So in the big scheme of things those overseas bases aren't such a bad idea after all................ if you want to continue being the big kid on the block.

Just some things to consider if you want a strong military, and want to show your strength. IF you agree with Trump about having the "biggest, strongest and best" military, you can't do it without major bases all over the globe.

 

[JonesBones]

yeah..... what could be the reason for not wanting Germany to expand its military might? ..... let me think


frankly Id prefer them to expand, I trust them far more than most other countries right about now!

Germany is the biggest fraud of the last century. You guys still think Nazi Germany was this legendary force. The Brits overrated it so bad but they were never in danger of losing to the Nazis. Germany had no chance in the Battle of Britain and totally underestimated Britain and the allies while overestimating it self. They never had a prayer in Russia either. Look up numbers on the shit. Britain and the allies overestimated Germany on almost every important metric. German engineering is a myth too.

 

[MayhemMonkey]

Germany is the biggest fraud of the last century. You guys still think Nazi Germany was this legendary force. The Brits overrated it so bad but they were never in danger of losing to the Nazis. Germany had no chance in the Battle of Britain and totally underestimated Britain and the allies while overestimating it self. They never had a prayer in Russia either. Look up numbers on the shit. Britain and the allies overestimated Germany on almost every important metric. German engineering is a myth too.

german engineering is a myth? is that why the top car manufacturers are german?

 

[AlexDB9]

City of God GOAT Brazil movie.

This is the first time I agree with you. Lil Ze was one crazy fuck

 

[Gregolian]

Or when the UN security council denied us going to Iraq, we went anyway and they did jack and shit and tucked tail b/c they can't actually do anything

"Any news on the UN going in with us?" -Rudy Reyes
"It's the usual French talk of stall and surrender" -Nathaniel Fick

 

[Cubo de Sangre]

We should do what Russia did long ago and send the troops home

Sounds great! Hopefully more and more places grow a pair and kick us out.

 

[Gregolian]

german engineering is a myth? is that why the top car manufacturers are german?

Until you have to fix them then it's almost cheaper to buy a new car cause of the cost of labor to get to anything in the engine compartment.

 

[OverCoronavirus Pressure]

Sounds great! Hopefully more and more places grow a pair and kick us out.

What've you got against the US pursuing the national interests any great power in history has?

 

[Rational Poster]

Germany is the biggest fraud of the last century. You guys still think Nazi Germany was this legendary force. The Brits overrated it so bad but they were never in danger of losing to the Nazis. Germany had no chance in the Battle of Britain and totally underestimated Britain and the allies while overestimating it self. They never had a prayer in Russia either. Look up numbers on the shit. Britain and the allies overestimated Germany on almost every important metric. German engineering is a myth too.

That guy puts out a lot of good videos but there he'll also point out that change in bombing strategy was a major turning point in the Battle of Britain.

It would have been possible for Germany to at least subdue Britain if they kept targeting airfields instead of cities, but a naval invasion was of course incredibly unlikely still.

Ultimately, you can't take raw data so seriously in something as complex as a global war. On paper, the French should have put up an incredible fight against the Germans, but they didn't. There is way more to consider than just the data.

 

[Gregolian]

On paper, the French should have put up and incredible fight against the Germans, but they didn't. There is way more to consider than just the data.

All I can think of when I think of the French in WWII is the bit with The Rock making fun of a French stable of guys by saying they'd offer Saddam Hussein creme brulee and apologizing.

 

[MayhemMonkey]

Until you have to fix them then it's almost cheaper to buy a new car cause of the cost of labor to get to anything in the engine compartment.

depends on which german car you get, the more expensive the car, the more specialised parts. specialised parts are costly

much cheaper over here because we live closer

 

[Pessimystic]

I'm sure the families of those that died would really appreciate your sentiment that their loved ones dying for a war that isn't theirs "not enough". I know I know, you don't care.

You do realize that the portion the US spends on "NATO" is roughly $430 million, the US spends about $440 million for the annual deployment of a carrier task force, not buying the carrier (which current costs for three Ford class carrier is approximately $43 Billion) but things like payroll for the roughly 6,000 personnel, feeding them, maintenance, fuel for the support craft, etc.. Also add to that the base in Germany is a major hub for the transport and treatment of injured US personnel in places like Africa, Iraq and Afghanistan, not to mention a major jump point for deployments. It took the US months to building up for Desert Storm, and "Iraqi Freedom" and that was with them pulling resources from European/German bases. Imagine how long that would have taken if we didn't have those bases. So if you pull all those troops out of Europe/Germany you will need to up the deployment of Navy assets, which will mean all that money you saved will be spent in one carrier task force's annual deployment and you'll need a larger navy to take up the slack, not to mention that some of these places (not in Germany, but others) are places our ships port at, so now you'd have to negotiate port usage, which people are going to charge you for. So in the big scheme of things those overseas bases aren't such a bad idea after all................ if you want to continue being the big kid on the block.

Just some things to consider if you want a strong military, and want to show your strength. IF you agree with Trump about having the "biggest, strongest and best" military, you can't do it without major bases all over the globe.

I'm not an interventionist, so whatever. I am not for any more misadventures abroad, unless it is a direct threat to our national security, and to me that doesn't include big oil getting richer from the bloodshed of others. I'm well aware of the logistics, and I'm also aware that it is costing us a fortune.
They don't want us, so fuck 'em, let them worry about the big bad Bear to the east on their own.

 

[Gregolian]

depends on which german car you get, the more expensive the car, the more specialised parts. specialised parts are costly

much cheaper over here because we live closer

I remember helping a buddy change oil in an older M3 he had... 3-4 hours later and 1 burn on my hand cause of the goofy spot the oil filter is in and I wanted to put a couple hunting rifle rounds through the engine block.

 

[SMillard]

I'm not an interventionist, so whatever. I am not for any more misadventures abroad, unless it is a direct threat to our national security, and to me that doesn't include big oil getting richer from the bloodshed of others. I'm well aware of the logistics, and I'm also aware that it is costing us a fortune.
They don't want us, so fuck 'em, let them worry about the big bad Bear to the east on their own.

That's fine, if that's your view then it at least has some consistency to it. I personally think Trump is being a hypocrite about the whole thing with wanting to increase military spending and the build up, but wants to eliminate the bases. That means the US would need to decrease manpower because that's a lot of people you are bringing home. What are we going to do just have an additional 450,000 troops just sitting around? Overseas forces comprise approximately 34% of our military force of 1.3 million.

 

[Cubo de Sangre]

What've you got against the US pursuing the national interests any great power in history has?

Ethics?