International Germany's Multicultural Experiment: 45% of Migrants Failed German Integration Courses

[Arkain2K]

https://www.thelocal.de/20121019/45663

now some of them live as refugees in Germany, 1 moved to sweden.
https://www.mopo.de/hamburg/trotz-verurteilung-somalische-piraten-leben-frei-in-hamburg-29992838

once u arrive in Germany u can do whatever u what and don't have to worry about deportion, ur article sounds nice but it makes little difference in reality.

It's a look into the vetting process.

Deportation is an entire different matter, and Greece made it clear where they stands in regards to the Dublin Treaty.

 

[uppercutbus]

I hope all the late-comers who wondering about Germany's current vetting process to pick out real refugees from an enormous pool of fakers.

Most of them don't have a legit claim to asylum. Or from Syria at all. The cat is out of the bag and getting as many third worlders in was the plan in the first place. There's no recognized war in Northern Africa and but they're still importing them in. It was first sold as a humanitarian refugee thing to the public now they're calling it a resettlement programme.
As Belfort says:

once u arrive in Germany u can do whatever u what and don't have to worry about deportion, ur article sounds nice but it makes little difference in reality.

 

[V Belfort]

It's a look into the vetting process.

Deportation is an entire different matter, and Greece made it clear where they stands in regards to the Dublin Treaty.

U highlight the vetting process of people who are already in the Country, and who has little influene on these persons future (unless they catch people from the Balkans). So why pretend there are some genius level Government specialist at work if all they do is starting to put effort in when the damage is already irreversible?

 

[pinger]

220-11 lol.

Cecil People's called it 219 to 12

 

[WTF2008]

What makes you think they didn't "vet" any previous entries?

They are having expected difficulties integrating the new citizens into the labor market, which is understandable given they aren't native speakers, but from what I can tell the incidence of crime among Germany's refugee population is markedly lower than would be typically expected given the poverty demographics and culture shock. I have no idea why, whether it's due to the efficacy of the program or inefficient reporting, but it certainly isn't a bad thing, right?


Also, at what point when you guys stop getting outrage boners from seeing Germany admit more migrants? Separating from the fact that they are shouldering what should be our moral burden for our role in displacing them, it's pretty damn obvious their primary reason for the admittance is to mitigate their birth rates and position themselves as a long-term economic powerhouse.

I really don't understand the penchant you have for these so-called refugees. Put some up in your house.

 

[Arkain2K]

U highlight the vetting process of people who are already in the Country, and who has little influene on these persons future (unless they catch people from the Balkans). So why pretend there are some genius level Government specialist at work if all they do is starting to put effort in when the damage is already irreversible?

I'm not sure what you are arguing against, really.

People are wondering if there's actually a vetting process before or after these self-proclaimed "refugees" are admitted, I simply provided information on the entire process to answer their inquiry (the answer is "after", of course).

If you wanted to talk about deportation instead, why didn't you quote one of the other posts about deportation? After all, they are plentiful in this thread.

 

[Arkain2K]

Thousands of deportations fail due to lack of papers
Last year there were 65,000 people whose lack of travel documents prevented them from being deported from Germany.
By Peter Hille | 02.04.2018

Then 41 and from Nigeria, John (not his real name) received a letter informing him that his application for asylum had been rejected in 2014. At that point, he had been living in Germany for three years.

The immigration authorities want to deport John — but they can't, because he has no passport. He says it was stolen. There's no way of sending someone back to Nigeria from Bavaria without travel documents.

"His exceptional leave to remain keeps being extended, one month at a time," his lawyer, Lothar Panzer, told DW. Panzer provides legal advice for asylum-seekers. "Every month he has to go to the authorities and make sure he gets it renewed," he said.

John is one of the hundreds of thousands of foreigners living in Germany as rejected asylum-seekers. There are various reasons why they haven't been deported: because they're sick, because there's no safe way to return to their countries of origin, because their countries are at war or because they're considered to be stateless. Or, as with John, because they have no passport or ID.

Responses 'extremely rare'

According to the Interior Ministry, 65,000 people who should have left Germany were granted exceptional leave to remain last year because they had no documents. That's almost twice as many as the year before. This increase is related to the large numbers of refugees who arrived in 2015 and 2016, Ernst Walter, the chairman of Germany's DPolG police union, told DW. The Federal Police are responsible for deporting people who are required to leave the country.

"It also has to do with the fact that more and more people are trying to disguise their identity to avoid the risk of being deported," Walter said. "And, as the authorities, our job is to establish the rule of law. Of course it can't be that someone who throws away his passport and conceals his identity gets right of residence while the one who was honest is deported."

That's why it's important to clarify the origins and identities of rejected asylum-seekers and get them surrogate passports, Walter said. He added that the Federal Police are particularly well-placed to do this, because they're constantly in touch with police forces in other countries, such as Morocco. According to an internal report by the Interior Ministry that has been quoted in newspapers of the Funke Media Group, cooperation with foreign authorities can often take a very long time. In India, the report says, processing of surrogate passport applications is "sometimes very slow to nonexistent," in Pakistan it is "delayed," and in Lebanon "responses to applications are extremely rare."

Pressure from Berlin

The Interior Ministry intends to up the pressure on uncooperative countries of origin — particularly because a lack of documents is currently the most common reason why people are granted exceptional leave to remain. Their leverage here could be "development aid policy, it could be visa policy," said Johannes Dimroth, a ministry spokesman. They want to explore "all possibilities in the bilateral relationship." After all, he pointed out, countries of origin are obliged to take their citizens back.

Ideas like these do not find favor at the Economic Cooperation and Development Ministry. It would rather focus on introducing positive incentives. The minister, Gerd Müller, of the Christian Social Union, has announced that up to €500 million ($616 million) a year will be used to finance jobs and traineeships for returnees to Iraq, Nigeria, Afghanistan and other countries. He hopes that this will convince 20,000 to 30,000 asylum-seekers a year to return voluntarily.

The mere fact that a passport is missing is not proof of displaced people's intent to deceive. Smugglers often take refugees' documents from them, Claus-Ulrich Prölss, the head of the Cologne Refugee Council, told DW. He added that some people also destroy their documents at the beginning of their journeys, because they fear the police or the military in their own countries, as happens in Eritrea, for example.

"Of course a person should and must present their passport if they have one, so their identity is established right from the start," Prölss said. "A passport alone is not sufficient reason to deport someone; there have to be others." Prölss also warns asylum-seekers not to give the police false information about themselves. That could backfire, if not immediately, then later on, when they're well integrated and should be getting residency rights. "That's when people often come in to the advice centers and say they switched the letters in their name, or changed their date of birth," Prölss said. "And that's a problem, because in many cases deceiving the authorities about your identity will disqualify you from obtaining the right of residence."

If they've lost their passports, asylum-seekers must help the authorities to obtain new ones and clarify their identities. If they don't fulfill their obligation to cooperate, the authorities could search their cellphones or their homes and impose penalties. John received a penalty order "for failing to cooperate in the acquisition of papers." He lodged an appeal, but last week the district court decided nonetheless to impose a €700 fine, which is a lot of money for him. In the meantime he has been to the Nigerian embassy and applied for a new passport.

http://www.dw.com/en/thousands-of-deportations-fail-due-to-lack-of-papers/a-43223447

 

[V Belfort]

I'm not sure what you are arguing against, really.

People are wondering if there's a vetting process before or after these self-proclaimed "refugees" are admitted, I provided information on the entire process (the answer is "after", of course).

If you wanted to talk about deportation instead, why didn't you quote one of the other posts about deportation?

? my point is that the vetting process doesn't change the status of these people. It is just a process to indentify them, nothing more.

 

[Arkain2K]

? my point is that the vetting process doesn't change the status of these people. It is just a process to indentify them, nothing more.

You're not looking at the full picture here.

When fake refugees fail the vetting process, it may be a pain in the ass for Germany to deport them back to where they came from, but at least those people will not able to take advantage of the family reunification program to LEGALLY bringing the rest of their village over.

That in itself is a very good reason to keep that vetting program going.

Would you rather NOT having that vetting program at all, and just allow all the obvious fakers who got in to be designated legal refugees and file family reunification requests instead?

No? Then why are you arguing against the ONE good thing in this entire steaming pile?

If anything, Germany should pump more money into the BAMF, so they can quickly go through the rest of the hundred of thousands of unvetted "refugees" who "accidentally" lost all their papers.

What's done is done. The difference between me and you is that I'm glad that they're at least doing something to reduce future fall-outs from Merkel's epic blunder, while you are decidedly in the "oh why even bother!" crowd.

 

[uppercutbus]

65,000 people whose lack of travel documents prevented them from being deported from Germany.

The simplest hustles are the best.

Kinda of weird way to approach verifying people in order to deport them. . . unless I'm reading it wrong and they just want to identify them. They don't even deport criminals/rapists after all.

EDIT: no family reunification, probably won't stress them out too much. Unless they're actually that entitled.

 

[tonni]

Huh. Really? And here I was thinking that this was a myth propagated by the right wing...

Don't tell me that Sweden has these "no go" areas as well?

Depending on how you define them, there are definitely "no go" zones to a certain degree. Real no-go zones used to be defined as areas where police, ambulance and the firedepartement were too afraid to go to when being called there. There are some such areas in the banlieues of Paris.

If you want to look at them as areas where it's not safe for a non-member of the ethnic group of the area to walk, especially at night and as a woman, then those areas exist in Belgium and I know where they are. I've had a female friend living in one of those and she had to move out because it was too dangerous to be outside after nightfall. I had to escort her on occasion, not because I'm a big tough guy, but because your chances of being mugged/attacked/harassed lower significantly if you're accompanied by a male and in group.

We all know where those areas are.

It's worse in Northern France, Lyon, Marseilles etc.

 

[Arkain2K]

EDIT: no family reunification, probably won't stress them out too much. Unless they're actually that entitled.

The cap is currently set at 1,000 per month after the last round of coalition negotiation:

Angela Merkel reaches breakthrough with SPD on refugee family reunion
30.01.2018​

Angela Merkel's CDU has agreed with potential partners the Social Democrats to set a monthly cap on family reunifications for refugees. The agreement removes a major obstacle in the grand coalition negotiations.

The conservative Christian Democratic Union (CDU) and the center-left Social Democratic Party (SPD) overcame one of the most difficult hurdles in the grand coalition negotiations on Tuesday, potentially clearing the way for Angela Merkel's fourth term as chancellor.

In the now-formal coalition negotiations between Germany's two biggest parties, it was agreed that the number of reunions for refugee families would be capped at 1,000 a month — the same figure that was set out at the end of exploratory talks earlier this month — but that the current suspension on reunions would end on July 31.

http://www.dw.com/en/angela-merkel-...with-spd-on-refugee-family-reunion/a-42362696

 

[Bald1]

Depending on how you define them, there are definitely "no go" zones to a certain degree. Real no-go zones used to be defined as areas where police, ambulance and the firedepartement were too afraid to go to when being called there. There are some such areas in the banlieues of Paris.

If you want to look at them as areas where it's not safe for a non-member of the ethnic group of the area to walk, especially at night and as a woman, then those areas exist in Belgium and I know where they are. I've had a female friend living in one of those and she had to move out because it was too dangerous to be outside after nightfall. I had to escort her on occasion, not because I'm a big tough guy, but because your chances of being mugged/attacked/harassed lower significantly if you're accompanied by a male and in group.

We all know where those areas are.

It's worse in Northern France, Lyon, Marseilles etc.

Maybe the ostrich brigade will believe you, cause they sure don't believe Merkel, Tommy Robbinson or Swedish LEOs.

 

[V Belfort]

You're not looking at the full picture here.

When fake refugees fail the vetting process, it may be a pain in the ass for Germany to deport them back to where they came from, but at least those people will not able to take advantage of the family reunification program to LEGALLY bringing the rest of their village over.

That in itself is a very good reason to keep that vetting program going.

Would you rather NOT having that vetting program at all, and just allow all the obvious fakers who got in to be designated legal refugees and file family reunification requests instead?

No? Then why are you arguing against the ONE good thing in this entire steaming pile?

If anything, Germany should pump more money into the BAMF, so they can quickly go through the rest of the hundred of thousands of unvetted "refugees" who "accidentally" lost all their papers.

What's done is done. The difference between me and you is that I'm glad that they're at least doing something to reduce future fall-outs from Merkel's epic blunder, while you are decidedly in the "oh why even bother!" crowd.

I'm German, so im not sure why U pretend to be so knowledgeable on the topic. If instead of the family another 10 immigrants arrive who aren't vetted before they set foot on German soil the cost remain the same/ is higher if nothing/ very little is done to kick them out. I would rather have a nuclear family to much illegal than a bunch of north african manlets who are cancer to western civilisation, so the point is not letting folks in to begin with and not just focusing on them after arrival.

 

[Karasu-Hanta]

What makes you think they didn't "vet" any previous entries?

They are having expected difficulties integrating the new citizens into the labor market, which is understandable given they aren't native speakers, but from what I can tell the incidence of crime among Germany's refugee population is markedly lower than would be typically expected given the poverty demographics and culture shock. I have no idea why, whether it's due to the efficacy of the program or inefficient reporting, but it certainly isn't a bad thing, right?


Also, at what point when you guys stop getting outrage boners from seeing Germany admit more migrants? Separating from the fact that they are shouldering what should be our moral burden for our role in displacing them, it's pretty damn obvious their primary reason for the admittance is to mitigate their birth rates and position themselves as a long-term economic powerhouse.

I wonder if they vetted the 25 year old attempted murderer who just got out of a Greek jail before arriving in Germany pretending to be minor who then raped and murdered a young lady. I wonder if they vetted his story about his father dying fighting the Taliban spoiler alert his father is alive and living in Iran. I'm sure they did there due diligence and assessed him as no threat to anyone.

 

[WTF2008]

What makes you think they didn't "vet" any previous entries?

They are having expected difficulties integrating the new citizens into the labor market, which is understandable given they aren't native speakers, but from what I can tell the incidence of crime among Germany's refugee population is markedly lower than would be typically expected given the poverty demographics and culture shock. I have no idea why, whether it's due to the efficacy of the program or inefficient reporting, but it certainly isn't a bad thing, right?


Also, at what point when you guys stop getting outrage boners from seeing Germany admit more migrants? Separating from the fact that they are shouldering what should be our moral burden for our role in displacing them, it's pretty damn obvious their primary reason for the admittance is to mitigate their birth rates and position themselves as a long-term economic powerhouse.

Whose moral obligtion? I'm sure the women raped by refugees would agree.

It's money grabbing by politicians. Merkel isn't going to last but she's gonna retire very rich.

 

[WTF2008]

Thousands of deportations fail due to lack of papers
Last year there were 65,000 people whose lack of travel documents prevented them from being deported from Germany.
By Peter Hille | 02.04.2018

http://www.dw.com/en/thousands-of-deportations-fail-due-to-lack-of-papers/a-43223447

The irony is incredible.

 

[Benjamin Burton]

She should be hanged as a traitor to her country

 

[Victor Maitland]

why are the German navy in the med , operating as a taxi service for the invaders?
direct orders from mutti merkel?

 

[Arkain2K]

I'm German, so im not sure why U pretend to be so knowledgeable on the topic. If instead of the family another 10 immigrants arrive who aren't vetted before they set foot on German soil the cost remain the same/ is higher if nothing/ very little is done to kick them out. I would rather have a nuclear family to much illegal than a bunch of north african manlets who are cancer to western civilisation, so the point is not letting folks in to begin with and not just focusing on them after arrival.

How are you German and still stuck 3 years behind everyone else in regards to this topic of discussion?

Again: What's done is done. The difference between me and you is that I'm glad that they're at least doing something to reduce future fall-outs from Merkel's epic blunder, while you are decidedly in the "oh why even bother!" crowd.