Has Chael Sonnen ever taken down a great fighter at will?

Tranaas said:
Worst of all, in the second fight with Anderson Silva, he managed to take him down after five seconds.
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Yeah you’re right on that one, forgot about it. He could never continue to do it as you saw in the 2nd round, there was no way he was getting Anderson down again.
 
Have got to agree with TS

Chael never took down a great fighter while not totally roided up

Anderson is not a great fighter he was submitted by two Japanese journeymen and while being on PEDs himself, was taken down by the equally not great Chael Sonnen.

Sonnen has never cleanely took down a great fighter and Anderson is a cheater..

Just facts presented to you by the TS
 
manboy<3 said:
Have got to agree with TS

Chael never took down a great fighter while not totally roided up

Anderson is not a great fighter he was submitted by two Japanese journeymen and while being on PEDs himself, was taken down by the equally not great Chael Sonnen.

Sonnen has never cleanely took down a great fighter and Anderson is a cheater..

Just facts presented to you by the TS
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Enough with the conspiracy theories. Sonnen tested positive for the first Anderson fight, that’s a fact.
 
Katsumi Yamada said:
Anderson Silva is one of the greatest and he took him down at will.


It's a pretty obvious answer, to be honest.
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Yep. Now if TS meant a fighter with great TDD, that's a different story. But prime Chael was able to outwrestle almost all the other good grapplers (Okami, etc.) and TD everyone at MW. The one exception was Maia, but I think that would've looked a lot different if they had a rematch.
 
manboy<3 said:
Have got to agree with TS

Chael never took down a great fighter while not totally roided up

Anderson is not a great fighter he was submitted by two Japanese journeymen and while being on PEDs himself, was taken down by the equally not great Chael Sonnen.

Sonnen has never cleanely took down a great fighter and Anderson is a cheater..

Just facts presented to you by the TS
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And Fedor, Cro-Cop and Big Nog never did anything impressive in an org with USADA-levels of drug testing. Just facts presented to you.
 
mkt said:
And Fedor, Cro-Cop and Big Nog never did anything impressive in an org with USADA-levels of drug testing. Just facts presented to you.
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Nog, Fedor and Cro Cop stood on top of a mountain of roiders while Anderson, GSP and Bones stood atop a mountain of half roiders and half clean fighters.
Whatever point your making the PRIDE guys look better at the end of the day.
 
The Reed said:
Nog, Fedor and Cro Cop stood on top of a mountain of roiders while Anderson, GSP and Bones stood atop a mountain of half roiders and half clean fighters.
Whatever point your making the PRIDE guys look better at the end of the day.
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My point is they were never tested, and 3 (especially Cro Cop and Nog) had immediate declines when they entered orgs that were testing...though none have been under USADA levels of testing.

So anyone bashing fighters who have been under strict testing is an idiot...so I hope that makes you feel better. BTW, Fedor is from a part of the world where PEDs are as common as junk food in the U.S. They've been banned from the Olympics, and portrayed as roiders since the 1980s (Rocky IV, etc.) when everyone knew their PED use. If anyone is throwing rocks and living in a glass house, it's Fedor fans.
 
SSgt Dickweed said:
Yeah, but still...

Rampage= first ever unified Pride and UFC LHW Champion.
Wanderlei= Pride Champion and Grand Prix Champion, 3 wins over Sakuraba.

What's your definition of "great"?
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Dude are you serious?

RAMPAGE was obese and past prime....

Wandy out of shape,recovering from being hit by a car,and past prime......

These do not count whatsoever Jesus man!
 
mkt said:
My point is they were never tested, and 3 (especially Cro Cop and Nog) had immediate declines when they entered orgs that were testing...though none have been under USADA levels of testing.

So anyone bashing fighters who have been under strict testing is an idiot...so I hope that makes you feel better. BTW, Fedor is from a part of the world where PEDs are as common as junk food in the U.S. They've been banned from the Olympics, and portrayed as roiders since the 1980s (Rocky IV, etc.) when everyone knew their PED use. If anyone is throwing rocks and living in a glass house, it's Fedor fans.
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Not like big nog and crocop were riddled with injurys or anything right?(big nog went 3-3 in his first 6 UFC fights becoming interim UFC champ and fought injured alot)literally Google big nog injury in mma......

Big Nog had hip and shoulder issues and crocop had knee and shoulder issues.

Look at the Big 3 from same ERA in the UFC.....MIR,SYLVIA,and Arlovski.......we know none of them would have been PRIDE champs since Fedor beat all 3 By strikes in under 5 Mins combined.


Crocop,and Nog had to learn new rules and adapt to the cage.....


Tell me honestly how well do you think the top UFC guys would have been in PRIDE if they had to learn new rules,and dealing with the ring.

Dealing with 10 min rounds and knees to the head when your takedown gets stuffed.


People just create the false narrative of "oh well as soon as they were tested by usada ....blah blah "......these guys were battle worn and had to transition halfway through their career to an entirely different ruleset,scoring system,and arena.Big nog still beat got the UFC interim belt bwahaha.

Prides HW division was better the entire time it was alive.......let that set in.
 
mkt said:
My point is they were never tested, and 3 (especially Cro Cop and Nog) had immediate declines when they entered orgs that were testing...though none have been under USADA levels of testing.

So anyone bashing fighters who have been under strict testing is an idiot...so I hope that makes you feel better. BTW, Fedor is from a part of the world where PEDs are as common as junk food in the U.S. They've been banned from the Olympics, and portrayed as roiders since the 1980s (Rocky IV, etc.) when everyone knew their PED use. If anyone is throwing rocks and living in a glass house, it's Fedor fans.
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There's really no problem with fighters taking PED's when they're legal. If Fedor, Nog or Cro Cop took PED's when they achieved their greatness in PRIDE, no problem, since their opponents were also juiced to the gills. However when top fighters were finding every possible solution to pass a PED test in the UFC where steroids are banned, then there's a problem and that tarnishes their legacy if caught, since they were breaking the rules and very likely fought guys who weren't roiding.
 
The Reed said:
Nog, Fedor and Cro Cop stood on top of a mountain of roiders while Anderson, GSP and Bones stood atop a mountain of half roiders and half clean fighters.
Whatever point your making the PRIDE guys look better at the end of the day.
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They also had fixed fights. #chaelbless
 
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