Have People Tuned Out Media Outrage?

[7437]

Washington Post. The Washington Times is a garbage propaganda paper that deliberately preys on people who mistake it for the Post.

Its the Transmorphers of news

 

[kpt018]

What's interesting is that Trump, Imo, just pulled the greatest gaff of his presidency in the Helsinki summit, but since the media is already operating at 10 they couldn't turn the knob any higher. They reacted the same way to eating two scoops of ice cream.

See, I was mostly in agreement with this until the two scoops of ice cream part. I think the media is operating at a 10 because Trump is highly corrupt and incompetent and they're rightfully operating at a 10. We're at the point were things that would destroy any other normal presidency are barely registering on the radar because there's just too much scandal with Trump.

I think the media did a good job covering Helsinki but they got distracted too soon (Playboy model story, smh). But just about everyone worth reading/listening too slammed the president for the disastrous summit.

 

[GetTheseHands]

LOL!

That's an opinion piece written by a Republican speech writer who worked for George W. Bush, accusing NYT of not properly emphasizing the "horrors of communism" in a history piece on the 20th century.

You think that's evidence of advocating for communism? Holy shit. Did you just google search "new york times communism" and that's all you could get?

But wait a second, this is the Washington Post. You just sung their praises two minutes ago. Now you are discrediting Washington Post opinion writers for criticizing New York Times opinion writers? If that is the case, if a 'journalist' at either the New York Times or Washington Post has a clear political slang, they can be discredited as well correct?

 

[jimbob27]

Condescension...

Could this have anything to do with people tuning out?

Can't we discuss anything anymore without somebody crying about their feelings being hurt? Low information voters are a thing. Most of the republican voters here fall don't into that category just by the fact they're here discussing politics on a karate board. The democrats also have a base of low information voters who see them as the party of welfare and benefits, and always vote that way because grandma did (grandpa ran out on her 50 years ago). Neither group is really affected hugely by media outrage because they're busy living their lives and don't really give a shit what CNN or Fox are saying unless it directly affects their lives.

 

[dontsnitch]

See, I was mostly in agreement with this until the two scoops of ice cream part. I think the media is operating at a 10 because Trump is highly corrupt and incompetent and they're rightfully operating at a 10. We're at the point were things that would destroy any other normal presidency are barely registering on the radar because there's just too much scandal with Trump.

I think the media did a good job covering Helsinki but they got distracted too soon (Playboy model story, smh). But just about everyone worth reading/listening too slammed the president for the disastrous summit.

You and I will naturally disagree as to what is fair criticism, but perhaps we can agree on what is unfair criticism. The two scoops was a joke meant to emphasize the media's obsession with the small things Trump gets wrong. Not every tweet should be treated like the republic is falling, but it is. That is my biggest gripe.

 

[Trotsky]

But wait a second, this is the Washington Post. You just sung their praises two minutes ago. Now you are discrediting Washington Post opinion writers for criticizing New York Times opinion writers? If that is the case, if a 'journalist' at either the New York Times or Washington Post has a clear political slang, they can be discredited as well correct?

Good lord. For how long will you intentionally tangle basic logic, while challenging everyone else to untangle it for you?

I have no love for WashPo opinion writers, or NYT opinion writers for that matter, as both skew heavily capitalist and constantly smear the far left. However, they do not do so by publishing false facts or by contravening the journalistic standards of their investigative departments.

The Washington Post opinion piece you just posted is a valid opinion. I think it's wrong and that the guy is a political hack, but it's not reporting falsifiable claims. It just expresses a far-right guy's opinion that all journalists have to be nationalist political stooges. It does not, however, provide any factual credence to your moronic statement that NYT opinion writers constantly extol the virtues of communism, when that's just a lie.

 

[Higus]

What I find particularly interesting is that, in the face of mainstream media being perceived as untrustworthy, the common response from the "woke" audience is to rush headlong to sources which are likely even less trustworthy than the mainstream media, relying on alternative news sources run by a bunch of opportunistic charlatans.

It's a bit like someone who has lost faith in the medical system to decry "Western medicine" and rush headlong to the ministrations of an unaccredited naturopath who tries to cure malignant tumors with Chinese herbs. Hopefully, in the case of those not trusting mainstream media, they don't end up developing a cancer of narrative - though I fear we may be past that point.

The answer is simple:
People don't want news to be objective and neutral, they want it to confirm their biases. Complaining about media bias is really just a rationalization so they can justify their consumption of what is nakedly biases new reporting.

 

[HunterSdVa29]

I got a shoutout in the Washington Post a few times in HS, so I used to read it quite regularly

It does appear to have shifted since being owned by whomever now, Soros right?

 

[44nutman]

I cant keep up with you Trump Humpers. You are just like Trump flip flopping daily on if Russia interfered with election. Some days he says yeah, Putin calls him then he says no.

So polls are good now, because it used to be polls were bad.

Do me a favor is there like a website I can go to keep up with the Trump Lickspittles positions, they seem to do a 180 on a daily basis.

 

[GetTheseHands]

The Washington Post opinion piece you just posted is a valid opinion. I think it's wrong and that the guy is a political hack, but it's not reporting falsifiable claims. It just expresses a far-right guy's opinion that all journalists have to be nationalist political stooges. It does not, however, provide any factual credence to your moronic statement that NYT opinion writers constantly extol the virtues of communism, when that's just a lie.

You didn't read the piece, you said "This guy wrote for Bush thus opinion invalid". He cited every NYT piece in question which you also didn't read.

I cant keep up with you Trump Humpers. You are just like Trump flip flopping daily on if Russia interfered with election. Some days he says yeah, Putin calls him then he says no.

So polls are good now, because it used to be polls were bad.

Do me a favor is there like a website I can go to keep up with the Trump Lickspittles positions, they seem to do a 180 on a daily basis.

Keep in mind this is a thread about tuning people out...

 

[kpt018]

You and I will naturally disagree as to what is fair criticism, but perhaps we can agree on what is unfair criticism. The two scoops was a joke meant to emphasize the media's obsession with the small things Trump gets wrong. Not every tweet should be treated like the republic is falling, but it is. That is my biggest gripe.

I don't think that's always true. Despite differences in values and political views I think there can be common ground for what rises to the level of fair vs unfair criticism. For example, I am very sympathetic to the criticisms of a single payer healthcare system.

But yeah, the two scoops stuff is silly but I don't think that's why the media is operating on a 10. I think it's because Trump has a new scandal every week!

BTW, I think the heart of the point you made was a good one. I just think you're downplaying the other stuff.

 

[Trotsky]

You didn't read the piece, you said "This guy wrote for Bush thus opinion invalid". He cited every NYT piece in question which you also didn't read.

(a) I did read the piece: it was only a few paragraphs.
(b) I didn't say that the piece of disqualified purely by virtue of its political hack writer.
(c) have you seen my username? Did you really think I hadn't read and watched The Red Century?

Sooo....you gonna substantiate any of your claims ITT, or no?

 

[Quequeg]

Trumps idiot base only pays attention to the "2 scoops" stuff and ignore the real facts of Trumps corruption and incompetence.

 

[Factory]

You realize that there us a huge difference between something not ranking a top concern and something being unimportant, right? Like, maybe your long term health isn't your top concern right now, but that doesn't mean you don't care about it.

And do you guys realize that pretty much nobody mentioned this as a top concern, the poll still has a significance? It's simply because most people vote based on their top priority. Maybe it's healthcare, maybe LGBQT, immigration etc.

In other words, despite of the media meltdown regarding Russia, very few people will vote based on how evil Russia is and why the fuk Trump talks with Putin.

Can someone pleeesseee for God's sake explain to me, why it is treated as a top concern pretty much on every lefty platform and why the dnc uses all their energy to drive this train, even though it is considered as "relatively" meaningless?

 

[dontsnitch]

I don't think that's always true. Despite differences in values and political views I think there can be common ground for what rises to the level of fair vs unfair criticism. For example, I am very sympathetic to the criticisms of a single payer healthcare system.

But yeah, the two scoops stuff is silly but I don't think that's why the media is operating on a 10. I think it's because Trump has a new scandal every week!

BTW, I think the heart of the point you made was a good one. I just think you're downplaying the other stuff.

I am downplaying a lot of it, I believe there are a lot of ice cream controversies masquerading as actual controversies.

I think people were crying foul from day one for trivial reasons and a lot is confirmation bias at this point, not all, but enough of it. I think we should wait for these investigations to conclude before we condemn him as treasonous.

 

[kpt018]

I am downplaying a lot of it, I believe there are a lot of ice cream controversies masquerading as actual controversies.

I think people were crying foul from day one for trivial reasons and a lot is confirmation bias at this point, not all, but enough of it. I think we should wait for these investigations to conclude before we condemn him as treasonous.

But what about all the other legitimate scandals and just flat out worrying stuff? Trump University, walking in on naked beauty pageants, profiting from the presidency, several members of his campaign going down for illegal work with Russians (and more to follow), threatening war on Twitter, calling the media "enemies of the people", charities diverting money, I can go on for days. It's as if you're writing off really serious shit as "two scoops of ice cream" and I don't really get why.

 

[44nutman]

Keep in mind this is a thread about tuning people out...

Keep in mind you responded, so you are not tuning out.

 

[Teppodama]

Can someone pleeesseee for God's sake explain to me, why it is treated as a top concern pretty much on every lefty platform and why the dnc uses all their energy to drive this train, even though it is considered as "relatively" meaningless?

Because it's an issue unlikely to bite them in the ass like #MeToo did, or the Free Speech stuff has been doing, or Socialism / Communism is starting to. Basically their social politics are a two edge sword they've played well for years but now they've been cut a few times and their realizing the sword isn't completely controllable.

 

[dontsnitch]

But what about all the other legitimate scandals and just flat out worrying stuff? Trump University, walking in on naked beauty pageants, profiting from the presidency, several members of his campaign going down for illegal work with Russians (and more to follow), threatening war on Twitter, calling the media "enemies of the people", charities diverting money, I can go on for days. It's as if you're writing off really serious shit as "two scoops of ice cream" and I don't really get why.

Even that which I disagree with is not reported fairly. Show me the man and I'll show you the crime. Trump is the real life example of a cop following someone for 500 miles keeping track of traffic violations. I definitely saw him run a couple stop signs, but when the media treats not signaling like reckless driving I start taking things with a grain of salt.

 

[kpt018]

Even that which I disagree with is not reported fairly. Show me the man and I'll show you the crime. Trump is the real life example of a cop following someone for 500 miles keeping track of traffic violations. I definitely saw him run a couple stop signs, but when the media treats not signaling like reckless driving I start taking things with a grain of salt.

Well, I don't know what you read/watch, but I think it's not reported fairly either (they should be much harsher!).

If you think threatening nuclear war on twitter and during speeches, having high ranking members of your campaign going to jail, profiting from your position of power (along with your family members), etc. is just "running a couple of stop signs" you just can't be helped. Seriously, it's a major lack of clarity on your part. These are really fucking big deals and again, would sink any other normal presidency. This guy has you people under a spell.

For fun, let's take a recent example. What are your thoughts about his threats to Iran? Just a "two scoops" level story?