How do you think the pyramids were built?

HHJ said:
Fedor was somehow responsible

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Fedor looks badass with a beard
 
each brick being made of a cement-like substance would be easiest
 
Fawlty said:
It's kind of insulting to human intelligence to think people were technologically incapable of this stuff. It's still amazing and deserves awe, but more for the feats of logistics and the will/ability to keep the project going.
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This is what annoys me about creationists as well. It's so much more interesting to study how the natural world actually came to be than it is to just say 'I don't get it so aliens.'
 
andnowweknow said:
Wow.

Houdin based it on a concrete dam and zero experience outside "professional architect who studied the great pyramid for years and came up with an internal ramp theory with several major (admitted) holes in it"...

The person I quoted was the head of the industry that supplies ACTUAL LIMESTONE for the Empire State Building and many other large American constructions.

So let's see, an amateur theorist with an architectural degree aided by HISTORIANS (IE Egyptologists, not a science in any way) based on a concrete damn (not stone) OR a guy who does the exact thing the builders did, cut, quarry and move limestone blocks...

Someone pulled something out of their ass, and it wasn't Merle Booker.
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They literally modeled how the entire pyramid would have been constructed in that timeframe.

For one, the industry in Indiana isn't developed for cutting blocks of that size. The company provides small blocks, so they aren't even designed to cut and move slabs that large. And all he's saying is Egypt had bigger limestone quarries with way more people dedicated to cutting and moving stone. Khufu is only 86.7 million cubic feet, which is several million less than what Indiana Limestone produces this very day without all that bullshit about opening new quarries. It was absolutely Merle pulling that shit out of his ass.

And let's just get this out of the way so I know where you stand. What exactly do you think happened to make the pyramid and why does the fact that there's literally dozens of similar pyramids around the world not tell you exactly what happened? And do you honestly think whatever crazy shit you believe happened is more likely than you just underestimate their ability to cut blocks and move them?

Seriously you're a fucking joke of a human if you believe aliens or some lost advanced technology created those structures. How often do you say this shit in public? Do you friends cringe when you get this dumb?

If Khufu required whatever crazy shit you think happened, what about Khafre? What about Cholua? What about Red or Bent? Pyramid of the Sun?

Is it possible that it took longer or more people than thought? Sure. Maybe it took 30 years. Maybe it took an extra few thousand people. That's reasonable. What's not reasonable is aliens or some lost technology. Like what type of technology do you think is lost?

Wow is right though. Wow. There really are a bunch of lunatics running around this world.
 
jgarner said:
They literally modeled how the entire pyramid would have been constructed in that timeframe.

For one, the industry in Indiana isn't developed for cutting blocks of that size. The company provides small blocks, so they aren't even designed to cut and move slabs that large. And all he's saying is Egypt had bigger limestone quarries with way more people dedicated to cutting and moving stone. Khufu is only 86.7 million cubic feet, which is several million less than what Indiana Limestone produces this very day without all that bullshit about opening new quarries. It was absolutely Merle pulling that shit out of his ass.

And let's just get this out of the way so I know where you stand. What exactly do you think happened to make the pyramid and why does the fact that there's literally dozens of similar pyramids around the world not tell you exactly what happened? And do you honestly think whatever crazy shit you believe happened is more likely than you just underestimate their ability to cut blocks and move them?

Seriously you're a fucking joke of a human if you believe aliens or some lost advanced technology created those structures. How often do you say this shit in public? Do you friends cringe when you get this dumb?

If Khufu required whatever crazy shit you think happened, what about Khafre? What about Cholua? What about Red or Bent? Pyramid of the Sun?

Is it possible that it took longer or more people than thought? Sure. Maybe it took 30 years. Maybe it took an extra few thousand people. That's reasonable. What's not reasonable is aliens or some lost technology. Like what type of technology do you think is lost?

Wow is right though. Wow. There really are a bunch of lunatics running around this world.
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You're projecting some weird shit from inside yourself that isn't there on this side.

It was not aliens.

It was not lasers and crystals or whatever other nonsense you project.

It was human beings.

It was also not done with copper chisels, dolorite sphere hammers and elbow grease. The tools used are simply not in the record. They will, if ever found (not likely due to the time past) be composed of steel and in some instances there is no other explanation than power tools. I have no idea how this occurred or when it occurred.

I do know the evidence that it was a tomb for the Pharoah Khufu is an utter joke and just something that has carried over for the past 150 years just because there is no other answer. We know that a restoration project occurred around the time of Khufu on both the Sphinx and the Great Pyarmid, we have ZERO evidence that it was built then. In fact, the only conclusive carbon dating done on organic material found between the blocks is 300-400 years BEFORE Khufu's reign.

Your lack of understanding is clear to me when you bring up the bent pyramid and the pyramid of the sun in Mexico...they are not even in the same universe of complexity or quality as Cheops is at Giza. The Red Pyramid and Chefren are similar but still as of what we know today, are not nearly as complex internally.

If you want to stick with your Houdin estimate based on the concrete Hoover dam, go for it. It's a stupid basis for a natural cut rock plan for a structure. If you know anything about construction, as I recall you do, you know well that concrete is used over stone precisely because it is easier and cheaper to achieve goals with, though of course, over time, concrete will disintegrate while natural rock cut blocks remain.
 
andnowweknow said:
You're projecting some weird shit from inside yourself that isn't there on this side.

It was not aliens.

It was not lasers and crystals or whatever other nonsense you project.

It was human beings.

It was also not done with copper chisels, dolorite sphere hammers and elbow grease. The tools used are simply not in the record. They will, if ever found (not likely due to the time past) be composed of steel and in some instances there is no other explanation than power tools. I have no idea how this occurred or when it occurred.

I do know the evidence that it was a tomb for the Pharoah Khufu is an utter joke and just something that has carried over for the past 150 years just because there is no other answer. We know that a restoration project occurred around the time of Khufu on both the Sphinx and the Great Pyarmid, we have ZERO evidence that it was built then. In fact, the only conclusive carbon dating done on organic material found between the blocks is 300-400 years BEFORE Khufu's reign.

Your lack of understanding is clear to me when you bring up the bent pyramid and the pyramid of the sun in Mexico...they are not even in the same universe of complexity or quality as Cheops is at Giza. The Red Pyramid and Chefren are similar but still as of what we know today, are not nearly as complex internally.

If you want to stick with your Houdin estimate based on the concrete Hoover dam, go for it. It's a stupid basis for a natural cut rock plan for a structure. If you know anything about construction, as I recall you do, you know well that concrete is used over stone precisely because it is easier and cheaper to achieve goals with, though of course, over time, concrete will disintegrate while natural rock cut blocks remain.
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Lol so it was people but with power tools even though you think people with power tools couldn't complete it today?

You sound like a real genius. They made steel, but it somehow didn't survive because of whatever made up reason is convenient for your retarded beliefs?

They had power tools too. Do you think they were Black and Decker or Milwaukee types of people? Maybe DeWalt?
 
jgarner said:
Lol so it was people but with power tools even though you think people with power tools couldn't complete it today?

You sound like a real genius. They made steel, but it somehow didn't survive because of whatever made up reason is convenient for your retarded beliefs?

They had power tools too. Do you think they were Black and Decker or Milwaukee types of people? Maybe DeWalt?
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When you make shit up it makes a conversation difficult. When did I say I thought people couldn't complete it today? I've said the opposite many times. You seem to be either making stuff up out of thin air or confusing me with someone else.

They found non meteoritic iron (IE, alloy metal) in a joint within the pyramid shafts. If you had any idea what happened to metal after thousands of years, never mind re-purposing by later peoples, you'd understand how silly what you're saying is when you say "where is it if they had it"...

For your knowledge, as authenticated by Sir Flinders Petrie circa 1881, THE source on all things Egypt from the beginning of modern archeology on the plateau:

Since the1800's several very interesting items have been found in the great pyramid of Giza. In the history article on our web site, we mentioned a discovery made by Colonel Vyse in 1836. He discovered and removed a flat iron plate about 12" by 4" and 1/8" thick from a joint in the masonry at the point where the southern airshaft from the King's chamber exits the pyramid. Engineers agree that this plate was left in the joint during the building of the pyramid and could not have been inserted afterwards. What happened to this plate and has it been tested? Colonel Vyse sent the plate to the British Museum. The plate was examined by the famous Sir Flinders Petrie in 1881. He felt it was genuine and stated "no reasonable doubt can therefore exist about its being a really genuine piece".

In 1989 it was subjected to scientific analysis. The tests were done by Dr. Jones in the mineral resources engineering department at Imperial College and Dr. El Gayer in the department of petroleum and mining at the Suez University. They utilized both chemical and optical tests. One hypothesis was that the metal may have come from a meteorite. It have been well documented that primitive and stone age peoples have used meteorite iron for implements, etc. They were able to make crude iron implements from the meteorite iron well before the iron age. In fact, wrapped in King Tut's mummy was a dagger made of meteorite iron. How do we know if the iron is from a meteorite or made by man? We can determine this from the iron's nickel content. Meteorite iron has a higher value than the iron found on earth. The analysis of the metal plate yielded the following: "the iron plate from Giza is clearly not of meteoritic origin, since it contains only a trace of nickel". Further analysis revealed that it had traces of gold on its surface, maybe once gold plated. Drs. Jones and Gayer concluded the following:

"It is concluded, on the basis of the present investigation, that the iron plate is very ancient. Furthermore, the metallurgical evidence supports the archeological evidence which suggests that the plate was incorporated within the pyramid at the time that structure was being built.

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andnowweknow said:
You didn't make one. Someone else did who happens to have obviously faulty premises.
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Yeah, my side of the argument merely has two Egyptian directors of antiquities and their teams, and you've got the superior.......nuh uh man whaaaa!!!

I rest my case, ma'am.
 
jgarner said:
Seriously you're a fucking joke of a human if you believe aliens or some lost advanced technology created those structures. How often do you say this shit in public? Do you friends cringe when you get this dumb?


Wow is right though. Wow. There really are a bunch of lunatics running around this world.
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I'm not even in this but I've seen you lay the "you're saying it was aliens" claims on people in threads like these many, many times before. And it's always when NO ONE is saying it was aliens. So my question is HOW THE FUCK ARE YOU NOT BANNED YET?!
 
andnowweknow said:
When you make shit up it makes a conversation difficult. When did I say I thought people couldn't complete it today? I've said the opposite many times. You seem to be either making stuff up out of thin air or confusing me with someone else.

They found non meteoritic iron (IE, alloy metal) in a joint within the pyramid shafts. If you had any idea what happened to metal after thousands of years, never mind re-purposing by later peoples, you'd understand how silly what you're saying is when you say "where is it if they had it"...

For your knowledge, as authenticated by Sir Flinders Petrie circa 1881, THE source on all things Egypt from the beginning of modern archeology on the plateau:

Since the1800's several very interesting items have been found in the great pyramid of Giza. In the history article on our web site, we mentioned a discovery made by Colonel Vyse in 1836. He discovered and removed a flat iron plate about 12" by 4" and 1/8" thick from a joint in the masonry at the point where the southern airshaft from the King's chamber exits the pyramid. Engineers agree that this plate was left in the joint during the building of the pyramid and could not have been inserted afterwards. What happened to this plate and has it been tested? Colonel Vyse sent the plate to the British Museum. The plate was examined by the famous Sir Flinders Petrie in 1881. He felt it was genuine and stated "no reasonable doubt can therefore exist about its being a really genuine piece".

In 1989 it was subjected to scientific analysis. The tests were done by Dr. Jones in the mineral resources engineering department at Imperial College and Dr. El Gayer in the department of petroleum and mining at the Suez University. They utilized both chemical and optical tests. One hypothesis was that the metal may have come from a meteorite. It have been well documented that primitive and stone age peoples have used meteorite iron for implements, etc. They were able to make crude iron implements from the meteorite iron well before the iron age. In fact, wrapped in King Tut's mummy was a dagger made of meteorite iron. How do we know if the iron is from a meteorite or made by man? We can determine this from the iron's nickel content. Meteorite iron has a higher value than the iron found on earth. The analysis of the metal plate yielded the following: "the iron plate from Giza is clearly not of meteoritic origin, since it contains only a trace of nickel". Further analysis revealed that it had traces of gold on its surface, maybe once gold plated. Drs. Jones and Gayer concluded the following:

"It is concluded, on the basis of the present investigation, that the iron plate is very ancient. Furthermore, the metallurgical evidence supports the archeological evidence which suggests that the plate was incorporated within the pyramid at the time that structure was being built.

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You just posted some lame statement about how impossible it is for the current industry to produce the limestone. That statement, which flies in the face on the fact that the company already produces way more limestone in a single year than necessary for the pyramid.

It metal was being used in the joints of the pyramids, then why is it only that one piece found? Why didn't the rest of the pyramid or any other samples from other pyramids survive? If it was being produced in any meaningful scale, there would be a clear indication of it's use. You can't even substantiate the significance of having steel instead of what has been proven to be available to them. Sure, metal existed in small limited quantities, but nothing in the amounts necessary.

Plus you literally said they had power tools. So which is it you lunatic, DeWalt, Milwaukee, or Black and Decker?

"Oh the Egyptians did it but they had power tools and steel! We just lost all that knowledge for some reason I can't substantiate even know we know everything else."


You're just a lunatic. Not as bad as the alien/Nephelim lunatics, but you're definitely riding the same boat. There is a clear progression of technology over the years in the world. It's well documented and doesn't include Egyptian laborers walking around with nail guns, power drills and steel.
 
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Agent Mulder's Hair said:
I'm not even in this but I've seen you lay the "you're saying it was aliens" claims on people in threads like these many, many times before. And it's always when NO ONE is saying it was aliens. So my question is HOW THE FUCK ARE YOU NOT BANNED YET?!
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How am I not banned for incorrectly assuming which conspiracy theory crazy people believe in?


You also do realize that literally people in this very thread did say aliens, so your statement about how it's "always when NO ONE is saying it was aliens" is blatantly incorrect.


And do you realize that I literally didn't accuse him of believing aliens did it, I included it as an option. The other option was lost ancient technology, which he actually does believe. He thinks they had power tools.


I guess my question for you is HOW THE FUCK HAVEN'T YOU LEARNED TO STOP TRYING ME ON BULLSHIT WHEN I OWN YOU INTELLECTUALLY EVERY SINGLE TIME?

Wow, using all caps really makes me feel good. I see why you made that choice to internet yell.
 
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hillelslovak87 said:
Yeah, my side of the argument merely has two Egyptian directors of antiquities and their teams, and you've got the superior.......nuh uh man whaaaa!!!

I rest my case, ma'am.
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You're appealing to an "authority" you don't know anything about in a topic you clearly don't understand. If you knew who Zahi Hawass was and the way he comports himself, you'd be embarrassed.

And don't ma'am me, unless you want me to lay down the gauntlet and fight you irl at the McDonald's parking lot of your choosing.

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jgarner said:
You just posted some lame statement about how impossible it is for the current industry to produce the limestone. That statement, which flies in the face on the fact that the company already produces way more limestone in a single year than necessary for the pyramid.

It metal was being used in the joints of the pyramids, then why is it only that one piece found? Why didn't the rest of the pyramid or any other samples from other pyramids survive? If it was being produced in any meaningful scale, there would be a clear indication of it's use. You can't even substantiate the significance of having steel instead of what has been proven to be available to them. Sure, metal existed in small limited quantities, but nothing in the amounts necessary.

Plus you literally said they had power tools. So which is it you lunatic, DeWalt, Milwaukee, or Black and Decker?

"Oh the Egyptians did it but they had power tools and steel! We just lost all that knowledge for some reason I can't substantiate even know we know everything else."


You're just a lunatic. Not as bad as the alien/Nephelim lunatics, but you're definitely riding the same boat. There is a clear progression of technology over the years in the world. It's well documented and doesn't include Egyptian laborers walking around with nail guns, power drills and steel.
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There is so much idiocy in this post, I'll just leave you with what you said...that I said, which I never said...

jgarner said:
Lol so it was people but with power tools even though you think people with power tools couldn't complete it today?

You sound like a real genius. They made steel, but it somehow didn't survive because of whatever made up reason is convenient for your retarded beliefs?

They had power tools too. Do you think they were Black and Decker or Milwaukee types of people? Maybe DeWalt?
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And no, I don't think they were DeWalt or Black and Decker tools. Maybe Milwaukee...

On the iron plate, go argue with Petrie, it was his assertion, not mine.
 
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I never thought the topic of how the pyramids were built would bring about such aggression.

All of you guys arguing like little girls, name calling and shit, need to grow the fuck up.

@jgarner
@hillelslovak87
Even you, @andnowweknow
 
andnowweknow said:
There is so much idiocy in this post, I'll just leave you with what you said...that I said, which I never said...

And no, I don't think they were DeWalt or Black and Decker tools. Maybe Milwaukee...

On the iron plate, go argue with Petrie, it was his assertion, not mine.
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You're the one that brought forth the quote to make a point. It's not my fault I did a single minute of research to find that the company produces enough limestone in one year to make a pyramid. If you want to use a source, be ready to provide documentation to support that source.

Milwaukee is a good choice. It's what I use.

Let's talk about these power tools you think they used. Describe them. You think they had fork lifts too or just power drills?

And again, you brought up the random chunk of metal found in a single place as evidence for your assertion that they had an entire metal industry that vanished overnight. I'm not arguing with some jackass I have to find. I'm arguing with the jackass in front of me telling me that ancient Egyptians had power tools and a metal industry that vanished for some unknown reason despite literally everything else not vanishing.

bandicoot said:
I never thought the topic of how the pyramids were built would bring about such aggression.

All of you guys arguing like little girls, name calling and shit, need to grow the fuck up.

@jgarner
@hillelslovak87
Even you, @andnowweknow
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Did you literally just name call all of us 'little girls' while trying to prove a point about how it's not ok to name call?

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You're like that guy who tries to break up an argument in the bar and ends up punching the guy he's trying to calm down.
 
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