How easily would Prime-Big Nog have submitted Francis?

[Tweak896]

Big Nog never had easy submissions lol, he took alot of pain getting the sub. I feel like first round he couldn't get the submission but probably had a good enough chin to last. He had underrated judo, which probably would be his key to beat Ngannou. Second round after Ngannou's athleticism was weakened, whether Big Nog could close distance without being KOed would decide. I say Big Nog takes it.

 

[markg171]

I'd say his best years were early to mid 2000's. The guy who showed up against Heath Herring in the UFC was already showing signs of slowing down and dwindling. The guy Mir KO'd was a shadow of the 2002-2004 big Nog. That was his prime in my opinion, dude could beat everyone not called Fedor

Funny how Nog got his two biggest wins sandwiched around his brutal KO to Mir.

 

[HUGHPHUG]

Funny how Nog got his two biggest wins sandwiched between his brutal loss to Mir.

the two wins sandwiched between the Mir losses are Randy and Brendan Schaub. Either side of the Mir KO was Tim and Randy

Either way I don't think they eclipse his wins over Josh, Cro Cop, Kharitanov or Coleman, even though Nog won gold against Tim (the same Tim everybody slates as the worst HW champ ever (I don't, love the guy))

Again, my opinion, not fact

 

[Taric]

Funny how Nog got his two biggest wins sandwiched between his brutal loss to Mir.

Only in crazy world is Brendan Schaub one of Nog's biggest wins.
Even Couture I'd put near the bottom of his 10 greatest wins... Nog's resume is fantastic.

I legitimately don't understand how MMA fans believe fighters will continue to have the same success they had 10 years older. Surely you must watch other sports and see athletes decline well before 10 years in their respective sports. And this sport is so much more brutal than most ball sports. The likelihood of sustained non-injury for 15 years straight is impossible.

 

[A.S. Deep]

Big Nog survived a truck as a kid. A Ford Escort is nothing to him.

 

[Towerworld]

25 year old Nogueira would have tripped Francis to the mat and tapped him out in 2 minutes. No question.

Pretty hard to tap someone out when your head is floating somewhere in space. No pride fighter has a chance in hell against Ngannou.

 

[Taric]

Pretty hard to tap someone out when your head is floating somewhere in space. No pride fighter has a chance in hell against Ngannou.

Ngannou has less combat training than most fighters from the 2000 era, as funny as that is.
Semmy Schilt was, no joke, more well rounded than Francis Ngannou currently is. Kind of embarrassing for the modern MMA era.

 

[HUGHPHUG]

Pretty hard to tap someone out when your head is floating somewhere in space. No pride fighter has a chance in hell against Ngannou.

But you must have watched some Pride fights? So you'd know that Cro Cop, Fedor, Josh and Nog were absolutely among the best in the world at various points and have infinitely better wins and experience than N'Gannou. So a top Pride HW circa 2004 would likely be favorite against him, and certainly no one would ever assume they would not stand a chance

 

[Shadowthrone]

Pride Hw had to fight for 10 min rounds. Francis wouldn't see round 2, he has to fight with watered down 5 min rounds, no knees to the head on the ground, ect. He would had got KO'd stiff if Stipe could have thrown knees while he had his shitty one hand down "defense". Guy is pure hype, Prime Nog R1 submission.

 

[Typrune Goatley]

Funny how Nog got his two biggest wins sandwiched between his brutal loss to Mir.

Trolling or just don't know?

Nog has much bigger wins.

Barnett
Cro Cop
Werdum
Sergei
Sylvia
Herring 3x
Coleman


When Nog beat Randy and Schaub he was way past his prime.

Prime Nog was 2000 to 2006.

 

[moreorless87]

the two wins sandwiched between the Mir losses are Randy and Brendan Schaub. Either side of the Mir KO was Tim and Randy

Either way I don't think they eclipse his wins over Josh, Cro Cop, Kharitanov or Coleman, even though Nog won gold against Tim (the same Tim everybody slates as the worst HW champ ever (I don't, love the guy))

Again, my opinion, not fact

Honestly Randy at that stage was almost as shot as Nog and Schuab never amounted to anything much, there are probably at least 10 other wins in Nogs career I think are better than those fights.

Coleman, Herring, Sapp, Semmy, Crocop, Herring, Sergei, Werdum, Barnett and Sylvia.

 

[markg171]

Only in crazy world is Brendan Schaub one of Nog's biggest wins.

Good thing I was talking about Sylvia.

Even Couture I'd put near the bottom of his 10 greatest wins... Nog's resume is fantastic.

Saying you'd put Randy Couture near the bottom of Nog's best wins is absolutely laughable.

Cue some bullshit about how Sergei or Henderson should be ahead of Randy though I bet lol.

I legitimately don't understand how MMA fans believe fighters will continue to have the same success they had 10 years older

Because people talk about "prime" when it becomes convenient for their personal own narrative, whatever that is, and ignore the results themselves. If they're still the best, or around as high as they've repeatedly been throughout their career, then talking about how you feel they're performing is meaningless. People can have shit performances when they're at their best too.

Sorry, but a guy winning fights over top 3 opponents should not be considered out of his prime.

 

[moreorless87]

Saying you'd put Randy Couture near the bottom of Nog's best wins is absolutely laughable.

Cue some bullshit about how Sergei or Henderson should be ahead of Randy though I bet lol.

I think 2004 Sergei is a better win than any version of Randy but the version Nog fought in 2009 was what 46 years old? I mean its still a decent win of course but not anywhere near as good as beating him 5 years before that would have been.

Nog himself maybe looked a little better than the first Mir fight where I do think illness was an issue as well but still that was far from a vintage performance, he looked slow and very hittable indeed and basically beat Randy by out chinning him. However much Rogan tried to take it up that was not how Nog picked up the vast majority of his best wins in Pride.

 

[Repsac]

It would be hard for him to submit Ngannou while he was asleep with a level 3 concussion, Big Nog would not get him to the floor as easy as Stipe because Stipe is a wrestler not Big Nog

Prime Nog had probably the best chin in MMA history, outside maybe Mark Hunt. If Stipe, who was finished by Struve, can take Ngannou's shots flush on the chin, I have no doubt prime Big Nog could. Ngannou would be tapping for sure.

 

[moreorless87]

Prime Nog had probably the best chin in MMA history, outside maybe Mark Hunt. If Stipe, who was finished by Struve, can take Ngannou's shots flush on the chin, I have no doubt prime Big Nog could. Ngannou would be tapping for sure.

I don't think Nog ever had a chin like Hunt, Fujita, Nelson, etc I put him more alongside the likes of Shogun and Hendo, certainly a good chin but even moreso excellent recovery and coolness under pressure.

Realistically though Ngannou did catch Reem and Arlovski off balance which I think had a lot to do with how badly he hurt them, of course thats exactly the kind of shot Arlovski especially has always had a tendency to take.

 

[arrmike]

With the exception of Coleman, Sapp, and Schaub, Nog has successfully taken down every opponent he ever defeated... That's 30+ different fighters.
Nog, Werdum, Maia, etc don't have pretty takedowns, but they're very effective at getting them.

And with Coleman he was beating him on the feet and slipped on a hk.

 

[Bartinho]

See Nog vs Goodridge

 

[arrmike]

Big Nog never had easy submissions lol, he took alot of pain getting the sub. I it.

Urban legend. Cc, Sapp, Tim. That’s it.

Hendo, Coleman, herring plus a bunch of mid-tier fighters he subbed easily. Werdum, Barnett2, kharitonov, Rico he outpointed without taking any serious damage.

 

[Taric]

Because people talk about "prime" when it becomes convenient for their personal own narrative, whatever that is, and ignore the results themselves. If they're still the best, or around as high as they've repeatedly been throughout their career, then talking about how you feel they're performing is meaningless. People can have shit performances when they're at their best too.

Sorry, but a guy winning fights over top 3 opponents should not be considered out of his prime.

I'm gonna shock you with something. Fighters win fights outside of their prime all the time.
Physical prime only lasts about 4-5 years max.

Nogueira specifically had 22 different surgeries heading into the UFC, while also being half blind in one eye.
You can't have your entire body surgically repaired and call that guy physically peaking at the same time. It doesn't work that way.

 

[HUGHPHUG]

Honestly Randy at that stage was almost as shot as Nog and Schuab never amounted to anything much, there are probably at least 10 other wins in Nogs career I think are better than those fights.

Coleman, Herring, Sapp, Semmy, Crocop, Herring, Sergei, Werdum, Barnett and Sylvia.

Both Randy and Nog were past their best by the time they fought, that said, it was still an awesome fight, shame it couldn't have happened earlier