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A black belt is not a professional certification. Sorry.
A black belt is a highly subjective measure, not an objective credential with any sort of licensing attached.
How legit is Kit Dale
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A black belt is not a professional certification. Sorry.
A black belt is a highly subjective measure, not an objective credential with any sort of licensing attached.
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Yeah, no. You just don't know what you're talking about. Tonon DID take the match seriously, as he'd watched me send one of his coaches to the hospital at the previous grapplers quest. He knows full well I'm dangerous. His demeanor was like that all day, even when he lost a thousand dollars to Rustem. Just a goofy sort of a guy, win or lose. He didn't go super saiyan on Kit Dale, because Dale is so fearsome, Kit Dale just didn't fight back. I should also point out that the match didn't end with a single toe hold. It ended with the 50/50. He just had a better toe hold. I didn't tap because I was busy attacking his leg.
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It is if you're an instructor.
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Now I see why you hate the IBJJF. It's because you can't heel hook.
Have you ever won a match at brown or black belt (against someone your own level) by something other than heel hook?
A couple of those matches you were getting dominated really badly but then pulled out a heel hook from a crappy position. That's great, but you can't do that in the ibjjf. Or most gi competitions.
And big LOL at you posting a bunch of matches from your blue belt days to prove how competitive you are. Jesus I can't believe you think you're legitimately even above average in BJJ.
You act like you're championship calibur. I'm sorry, if you ever compete against someone good you're in for a big surprise.
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Yeah, toe holds, triangles and such.
If I was average I wouldn't be taking first. That's by definition above average.
I have. Guys like Cooper and Tonon kick my ass, but the average guy I meet I take out in short time. Never said I was the BEST, but yeah, I'm above average.
And here's the thing Anaconda, what do you really think is going to happen? I'm gonna go "Oh shit, I really do suck. Let me quit training."? Here's what's going to actually happen. I'm going to go to the tournament of my choice anywhere on the east coast. I'm gonna walk around and see some of the haters on the sidelines, just sorta staring. Not talking too big, just sort of staring and averting their eyes. I'm going to write the name of my technique across my chest so you won't be surprised. Then I'm going to do it to the first guy I meet. Then the second guy. Then the third. Until all opponents have been defeated. I'm going to keep finding bigger, heavier, stronger, better guys to compete against until I can do that to them too. That's whats actually going to happen. Don't believe me? Just watch me. Anyways, I've got to clean the dojo.
I'm checking out of this thread for good. To sum things up:
1. Yes, I'm a black belt.
2. No, no one is getting paid unless I actually owe them.
3. I'm actually a pretty good black belt and a pretty good grappler in general.
4. I don't see the IBJJF, their champions, or pretty much anyone as "elite". That's for peasants.
5. I see Kit Dale as a highly overrated grappler. Certainly not elite.
6. I see Carlos and his ilk as simple crooks.
7. You're not going to change my opinion of these matters.
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extremely accurate statement. can't think of many thinks that are as subjective, actually. probably why immigration has a hard time using one as a green card credential, when you think about it.
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no, it still isn't, because it isn't bestowed by a certifying body. if you are a yoga teacher, for example, and you get certified, that comes through Yoga Alliance. The CSCS, certified strength and conditioning specialist, well-regarded personal training cert, comes from the National Strength and Conditioning Association. USAWeightlifting, which runs the sport of olympic lifting, gives out various levels of instructor certifications. These are organizations with board of directors and annual conventions and all that.
a black belt is given to you by some guy. (or girl).
as much as the IBJJF would probably like to be on that level, they aren't. That's why they don't give belts - they just certify them so you can compete, which many of us feel is just a moneymaker.
there simply is no professional organization that gives out BJJ black belts. therefore it is not really a professional credential.
It doesn't matter what your opinion of the level of an IBJJF tournament is, or what names you call people who win their tournaments. If you want the level of notoriety sufficient to keep people from attacking your skill-level and integrity when you claim that you're better than a guy like Kit Dale, you're going to need to be on the podium at one of the four big IBJJF tournaments.
It's simple. Whether you care or not, people pay attention to what happens at the Worlds, Pan's, Brazilian Nationals, and the no-gi worlds. They pay attention to the ADCC and the World Pro. They pay attention to Metamoris and Copa Podio.
No one pays attention to what happens at NAGA, GQ (maybe a few GQ superfights), US Grappling, Kaizen, Copa Nova, or The Good Fight, and they certainly don't care about what happened at mission submission during the 2 years it existed.
It's much harder to get to the finals in the tournaments listed in the first paragraph, than it is in the one's listed in the second paragraph. You can't claim it's the same guys, because it's not. Having one big name at a tournament does not, in any way mean "it's the same guys." It's one guy, and he's probably just there to stay sharp. Having some of those guys in a tournament you fought in 5 years ago at blue belt doesn't mean "it's the same guys." You were fucking blue belts at the time. In other words, what you did and who you beat 5 years ago doesn't have any bearing on who you can beat today.
If you somehow found yourself in a black belt division at the World Pro, you'd be in a bracket with a dozen big names, all of whom are elite level black belts. With the exception of a rare few, they all gained notoriety by winning IBJJF tournaments. They didn't get there by winning one brown/black belt division at NAGA with 4 or 5 guys in it.
Look at the bracket for the black/medium/adult division at the Pan's... There's 33 black belts registered. To name a few people whom everyone recognizes, Francisco Iturralde, Tanner Rice, Sean Roberts, Vitor Oliveira, Otavio Sousa, Victor Estima, Magid Hage, Leandro fucking Lo, and Oli Geddes are all fighting... I don't think you'd make it out of the first round, let alone the following four matches to get to the final, all of which are going to be against increasingly better people.
So Jordan, do yourself a favor and ask Mike to sign your IBJJF registration form. It's really easy to fill out. You only have to list the dates of the four promotions you've claimed to receive, and the name of the person who promoted you. Obviously Vinny Souza's name won't work because he isn't a second degree black belt... So, you can have Mike put down the date that you hand the form to him, and he can put his name in for the person that promoted you to black belt. It will cost you $35.00 dollars the first time you do it and $30.00 after that. You'll have to pay a company called SSCI2000 an additional $18.50 annually for a background check. If the IBJJF rejects your application for reasons other than a background check issue, it would lend credibility to your wild extortion claims, and that alone is worth $53.50.
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This is where a lesser man would mock a fellow grapplers one dimensional performance.
Not me though. That would just be tacky!
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And the answer of whether or not Jordan is a legit black belt was answered on the first page!!!!!
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I see what you did there.
Yeah, there's no way that kit dale could pass that guard with his noted garbage guard passing skills. I mean, this nobody from Umass only passed it like a handful of times.
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I guess that settles it:
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Man if he's a black belt.. my guard is getting fucking awesome.
