I think I have a solution for alt-right troubles

Trotsky said:
I mean, he's ostensibly describing how the National Socialist Party gained traction through economic populism and strategic appropriation of the very-popular international "socialism" movement, and he's explicitly raising AfD as a member of the coalition and putting their member between Trump and Le Pen (who I trust you are familiar with). If you're not familiar with AfD....this is their Wiki:


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Also, the similarities between the alt-right and the Nazis aren't just fodder for online insults: there are some real ideological overlaps, such as the use of anti-Marxist and anti-communist sentiment ("cultural marxists," etc.) and their completely lack of organizational or economic underpinning apart from identitarian venom.

Also, the "expose BLM for their lies" bit made me think it was maybe tongue-in-cheek, since...well, the Nazis did stuff like that for social organizations.
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Touché
 
stellarborg said:
Troubles as in being unable to attract mainstream support.

First of all, all of you have a great opportunity here to show that you are not nazis. Sorry but that's how you are perceived right now. Fortunately, you have an opportunity to overcome that, people are concerned with overwhelming immigration from muslim countries. These immigrants hate jews, they hate homosexuals, they hate women in power. So the best thing you can do right now, if you really want to stop immigration from middle eastern and african countries, is to support these things. Not just paying lip service, but actually teaming up with jews in europe who feel unsafe and who experience a rise in hate crimes from muslim population, and yes, that means publicly kicking out those leaders out of your party who are anti jewish and who deny holocaust (as Marine Le Pen did to her own father, which is why she had a much better electoral showing percentage wise while running for President than Alternative For Germany, who instead kicked out Frauke Petry who was trying to do the same thing). If you get a bunch of jewish leaders to endorse you, there is not going to be much merit to calling you nazis.

Stand tall for women, talk about feminism, not just about migrant rape but having women in power, talk about how women should not be just thought as house servants submissive to the 'man of the house' or baby machines but should be equal in driving western progress a leaders. That's how you get half of the voting population to join you.

Do economically progressive things. This is where I am talking to you, American alt-right. Your European counter-parts figured this out a long time ago. If you look at National Front or AFG, their economic policies are to the left of Bernie Sanders. They want to have a welfare state, as long as it benefits their people. You should look into doing the same, there is only so much economic abuse your own people will take as you give tax cuts to the rich before they abandon you. Then you can get working on the important stuff as in repealing affirmative action, instituting merit based immigration reform and exposing black lives matter as a movement based on lies.

So in conclusion, do a progressive economic agenda, support feminism, support jewish people, while holding a hard line on immigration, and you will see a huge rise of support from local populations across western countries

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You realize that the Alt-Right blame a lot of the immigration issue on Jews supporting open borders. It would also be impossible for the Alt-Right to team up with non-Muslims, since they couldn't stomach it. Alt-Rightist (Amren founder) did try to create an Alt-Right big tent, which included Jewish White Supremacists, but it didn't seem to go anywhere because the commenters on the site just resorted to using the euphemism "Eskimos" to refer to Jews, because the site founder defacto banned criticism of Jews.

I doubt most Jews would support the Alt-Right even if the former started to voice support of Jews because everyone, including Jews, knows it would just be real politiking by the Alt-Right which would turn its focus on them once the Muslim problem went away.
 
Trotsky said:
I mean, he's ostensibly describing how the National Socialist Party gained traction through economic populism and strategic appropriation of the very-popular international "socialism" movement, and he's explicitly raising AfD as a member of the coalition and putting their member between Trump and Le Pen (who I trust you are familiar with). If you're not familiar with AfD....this is their Wiki:


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Also, the similarities between the alt-right and the Nazis aren't just fodder for online insults: there are some real ideological overlaps, such as the use of anti-Marxist and anti-communist sentiment ("cultural marxists," etc.) and their completely lack of organizational or economic underpinning apart from identitarian venom.

Also, the "expose BLM for their lies" bit made me think it was maybe tongue-in-cheek, since...well, the Nazis did stuff like that for social organizations.
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Did you miss the part where I was disparaging AfD because they kicked out Frauke Petry, their former leader, who was trying to moderate them and who was trying get them into mainstream? Now having said that they did well for themselves in last election, but it could be so much more if they explicitly renounced any national social comparisons
 
Der Eisbär said:
Yeah, the real actual alt right are nazis. Like literally. And they don't cover that up. They espouse the ideology of national socialism. They use Hitler memes and nazi propaganda images. The problem is when people lump the "new right" in with them. People like milo or Shapiro
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I have described the Alt-Right as PaleCons. Because if you look at their positions, that is what they really are. They want an unmistakably White dominated society, where all non-Whites know their place, like was the case before Civil Rights. They want the America of the 50s and before. They want mainstream culture to be unabashedly White supremacist , which means no sympathy for any marginalized groups, no immigration from non White areas, strong presence of Christianity in society and government, Gays in the closet, no transgender activism, liberal sympathies would not be tolerated. And American foreign policy would be run by gentile Whites for the benefit of the West. Pat Buchanan is a PaleoCon, who is also very popular on the Alt-Right.
 
MicroBrew said:
You realize that the Alt-Right blame a lot of the immigration issue on Jews supporting open borders. It would also be impossible for the Alt-Right to team up with non-Muslims, since they couldn't stomach it. Alt-Rightist (Amren founder) did try to create an Alt-Right big tent, which included Jewish White Supremacists, but it didn't seem to go anywhere because the commenters on the site just resorted to using the euphemism "Eskimos" to refer to Jews, because the site founder defacto banned criticism of Jews.

I doubt most Jews would support the Alt-Right even if the former started to voice support of Jews because everyone, including Jews, knows it would just be real politiking by the Alt-Right which would turn its focus on them once the Muslim problem went away.
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Well like I said it was wishful thinking

But then again never underestimate herd mentality of people, especially alt-right who seem to be extremely susceptible to authoritarian influences

Imagine, if AfD party vote went the other way, it was pretty close, and Frauke Petry was still the leader, and she announced that that she wants to make Germany safe for jews by restricting muslim immigration, flanked on left and right by rabbis on national television, would the rank and file follow? Nobody could accuse her of being a nazi after that
 
Become progressive Liberals? No.

The mainstream media perception does not matter, and is a grossly flawed way to interpret how the right is viewed.

Stay the course, and let Liberals eat themselves like they always do.
 
oleDirtyBast4rd said:
You said their were real ideological overlaps between alt right and nazis... your reasoning is them being against communism and BLM lies??

Oh my, those boys sound like literal Nazis
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Your reading is not great.

There is overlap in a multitude of instances: (1) their anti-semitic and ethnonationalist platform, (2) their reckless support for authoritarianism and disdain for liberal democratic institutions (see my thread on autocracy), (3) their revisionist appeals to yesteryear (MAGA, yearning for the manly men of the past [see: Soul Crusher]), (4) subsequently their reduction and appeals to traditional social norms and gender roles (men's rights activism, beta males, opposition to feminism), (5) their allusions to objectivism, tribalism (see: on intersectionality) and naturalism (see: Jordan Peterson for a fairly innocuous figurehead), (6) their opposition to "multiculturalism," (7) their support of protectionism, (8) their fear mongering about "globalists" (term used by the Nazis & arguably a code word in itself), (9) their fear mongering and opposition to Marxists and use of the term "cultural Marxism" (also used by the Nazis), (10) their concerted use of propaganda and disinformation (see: spreading fake news throughout the election and after every mass shooting), (11) their cynical and pretty transparent appropriation of Judeo-Christian values/interests to marginalize religious or ethnic minorities, (12) their completely fluid use of or conversely disinterest in economics, (13) their disregard for labor organizing interests, (14) their arbitrary use of violent language to put some sort of manly veneer on their rhetoric (see: Jordan Peterson's "punch someone if they try to explain the difference between Marxism and Stalinism" quote).....


I mean, I could go on all day. These are not novel observations at all. Just look at their damn Wikipedia page, and you'll likely find all or most of this cited to. There's a reason why literal Nazis joined their ranks.
 
stellarborg said:
Well like I said it was wishful thinking

But then again never underestimate herd mentality of people, especially alt-right who seem to be extremely susceptible to authoritarian influences

Imagine, if AfD party vote went the other way, it was pretty close, and Frauke Petry was still the leader, and she announced that that she wants to make Germany safe for jews by restricting muslim immigration, flanked by left and right by rabbis on national television, would the rank and file follow? Nobody could accuse her of being a nazi after that
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It's just posturing and short term immediate self interest with a very narrow focus. Jews and Muslim groups in Denmark are together fighting activists who want to ban circumcision. When it comes to the circumcision issue , Jews and Muslims unite against Gentiles, but they still oppose each other on Israel. So maybe the Alt-Right might ally with Jewish groups for the Muslim issue but that does not mean they would be allied in general.
 
Trotsky said:
There is overlap in a multitude of instances: (1) their anti-semitic and ethnonationalist platform, (2) their reckless support for authoritarianism and disdain for liberal democratic institutions (see my thread on autocracy), (3) their revisionist appeals to yesteryear (MAGA, yearning for the manly men of the past [see: Soul Crusher]), (4) subsequently their reduction and appeals to traditional social norms and gender roles (men's rights activism, beta males, opposition to feminism), (5) their allusions to objectivism, tribalism (see: on intersectionality) and naturalism (see: Jordan Peterson for a fairly innocuous figurehead), (6) their opposition to "multiculturalism," (7) their support of protectionism, (8) their fear mongering about "globalists" (term used by the Nazis & arguably a code word in itself), (9) their fear mongering and opposition to Marxists and use of the term "cultural Marxism" (also used by the Nazis), (10) their concerted use of propaganda and disinformation (see: spreading fake news throughout the election and after every mass shooting), (11) their cynical and pretty transparent appropriation of Judeo-Christian values/interests to marginalize religious or ethnic minorities, (12) their completely fluid use of or conversely disinterest in economics, (13) their disregard for labor organizing interests.....


I mean, I could go on all day. These are not novel observations at all. Just look at their damn Wikipedia page, and you'll likely find all or most of this cited to. There's a reason why literal Nazis joined their ranks.
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That would have made more sense in your other post. The post I quoted was pretty awful. Carry on

Trotsky said:
Your reading is not great
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Lol you must have used some kind of invisible text color... forgive me
 
stellarborg said:
Did you miss the part where I was disparaging AfD because they kicked out Frauke Petry, their former leader, who was trying to moderate them and who was trying get them into mainstream? Now having said that they did well for themselves in last election, but it could be so much more if they explicitly renounced any national social comparisons
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I saw it, but humor can be dry.
 
oleDirtyBast4rd said:
That would have made more sense in your other post. The post I quoted was pretty awful. Carry on



Lol you must have used some kind of invisible text color... forgive me
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Bastard, I cannot always be so comprehensive in every post. I am only a man.
 
MicroBrew said:
It's just posturing and short term immediate self interest with a very narrow focus. Jews and Muslim groups in Denmark are together fighting activists who want to ban circumcision. When it comes to the circumcision issue , Jews and Muslims unite against Gentiles, but they still oppose each other on Israel. So maybe the Alt-Right might ally with Jewish groups for the Muslim issue but that does not mean they would be allied in general.
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Like I said Marine Le Pen kicking out her own father out of his own party that he himself started, because he refused to say that holocaust was real, trust me there was a reason for that, and that payed political dividends, that's something that Germans can learn from
 
The problem is Liberals think anyone against immigration is a Nazi. The alt right probably isn't even half as big as people think...and a percentage of the alt right are really just trolls. You know its bad when Shapiro and Milo are labeled "alt Right"..theyre both Jewish and Milo is a homosexual. A lot of it is just white people getting sick and tired of hearing about white guilt and white privilege.
 
Anything right is alt-right, am I right about that?
 
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