If you wanted to rig your enemies election...

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  1. HIMBOB

    HIMBOB Steel Belt

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    That's great and all, but doesn't change the fact that a rigger would want the winner to not win the popular vote.
     
  2. TheComebackKid

    TheComebackKid Double Yellow Card Double Yellow Card Yellow Card

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    I left out our political establishment. So yeah McCain and Bush.
     
  3. JonnyRingo84

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    well, it is. it is out of tradition, though not by law.

    originally, there was no direct vote on the president at all, or senate. i kinda think we should go back to something similar, or a parliamentary system.
     
  4. PrinceOfPain

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    Do people there really think the popular vote is a good idea, or are they just pissy that trump won?

    You'd think people worried about minority rights could see their way to recognising the problems with pure rule by majority.
     
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  6. Starman

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    People who didn't vote didn't vote. They didn't vote for anyone. How can someone who didn't vote have their vote counted? It is literally impossible.

    No, it isn't. It is the dumbest thing I've heard today, and that's saying something considering the people populating this thread.

    The majority of who people voted have everything to do with determining who the majority of voters voted for. The people who didn't vote literally have nothing to do with determining who the majority of people voted for.

    I don't understand what's so difficult about determining who the majority of people who voted cast their votes for.

    Parsing numbers is easy. And here they are. 65,853,652 people voted for Hillary Clinton. 71,271,832 people voted for anyone but Mrs. Clinton. The majority of the country did not vote for Mrs. Clinton. She did not win a majority of the vote.
     
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  8. Starman

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    You are creating an imaginary situation and ascribing motive to it. A "rigger" could want whatever you imagine they want.

    The fact is that the U.S. is not and was never designed to be a democracy, and the "popular vote" was never how we were going to decide an election. What your imaginary "riggers" want is irrelevant.
     
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  9. Starman

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    You are proving my point.

    Again, continuing to prove my point. The popular vote has zero to do with electing the American president. I'm not sure what at all you think you are doing to further your initial claim.
     
  10. KONG-D'SNT-TAP

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    If we had a pizza with 9 slices

    I have 4 slices
    Trump has 3 slices
    Everyone else has 2 slices

    Does trump have the most slices
     
  11. Starman

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    You've had less success than the guy who whined for your help. Maybe you two should have thought this through a little better. It's embarrassing to see you guys resort to stupid GIFs and other nonsense when you have nothing left of substance to say.
     
  12. Starman

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    No. He doesn't. But you don't have a majority of the slices either. A majority of the slices would be 6. You have 4. The other 6 belong to someone else. This is why the U.S. is not and was never designed to be a democracy, because democracy is nothing but a glorified mob that can give power even if the majority of voters don't choose that person.

    This is a democracy in action -- imagine this:

    We need to decide as a group who will be promoted as the new president of the company. We are going to decide who wins based on who gets the most votes (the democratic process.) 10 employees will vote.

    Donald: votes for himself
    Hillary: votes for herself
    Ted: votes for himself
    Bernie: votes for himself
    Marco: votes for himself
    Chris: votes for himself
    John: voted for himself
    Jeb: votes for himself
    Carlie: votes for herself
    Ben: votes for Donald

    Under the democratic process, Donald becomes the new president, because he got the most votes. Is that fair? I don't know, what do you think? Donald got the most votes, on one hand. But on the other, he didn't get the majority of the votes. So is it fair? Ultimately, when you run democracy to its ultimate logical end, you always run the risk of this kind of result. You run the result of having someone win even though most people preferred someone else. You can't escape a result like this. You may not always get this result, but this result is always possible. That's the weakness of a pure democracy.

    Do you understand now?
     
  13. A Very Serious Cat

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    You forgot have bloody Hilary Clinton run on the other side
     
  14. KONG-D'SNT-TAP

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    Dude, in a competition the person with the most or the highest number is the winner. Regardless if they are competing against 1 person or many. That’s literally how you pick a winner

    I really have no idea what you’re saying here.
     
  15. HereticBD

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    Shit, you might be right for once:

    Donald Trump - 304

    Hillary Clinton - 227


    Or do those numbers not count?
     
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  16. Starman

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    Wrong. In some sports the person with the highest score wins. In others, like golf, the person with the lowest score wins.

    Your arbitrary and completely illogical reference to sporting events isn't even dumb enough to be amusing. It is just pathetic.

    No, it isn't. A winner is determined based on which competitor performs the best under the rules that were established for that competition.

    Kind of like Mr. Trump did when he ran his campaign according to the rules of the electoral college.

    You complaining about his win in the election is like a kid complaining that the Patriots lost the Superbowl because the Eagles didn't follow the rules of a wiffle ball tournament.

    We'll try again.

    Donald Trump received 62,985,134 votes. Hillary Clinton received 65,853,652 votes. The other 3 candidates won 8,286,698 votes.

    65,853,652 people voted for Hillary Clinton. 71,271,832 people voted for anyone but Mrs. Clinton. The majority of the country did not vote for Mrs. Clinton. She did not win a majority of the vote.

    Mrs. Clinton did not win a majority of the popular vote, did not win a majority of the states, and did not win a majority of the electorate. More people voted against her than for her, by any metric you care to use. At least Donald Trump won a majority of the states and a majority of the electorate.
     
  17. JonnyRingo84

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    you are arguing that legally, it shouldnt have anything to do with electing the pres. im pointing out, that due to contemporary custom, delegates vote according to the popular vote of their constituents. you agreed that this is a current practice lol. so....the electoral vote is quite intertwined with the pop vote at the moment. say that it legally shouldnt be that way all you want, but it is that way.

    and you never really answered another one of my questions. you call the popular vote a joke. how is what most americans want, a joke?

    and im not saying that we should choose the pres by pop vote, as ive already mentioned that i dont believe this to be the case. but ill not be saying stupid shit like, the popular vote is a joke.
     
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  19. tdluxon

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    Ts didn't say anything about Russia
     
  20. JonesBones

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    Why is it so hard to understand what a majority means? Christ. Hillary did not get the majority of votes. That would require more than 50%. She got a plurality.
     
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