If you wanted to rig your enemies election...

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  1. Rational Poster

    Rational Poster Scourge of the War Room

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    Using @Starman's logic,

    72.5 million people didn't vote for Donald Trump.

    That is 53% of Americans. A clear majority of the eligible voters did not support Donald Trump.

    I never specified that a majority supported Clinton only that we should probably care what the majority thinks.
     
  2. HunterSdVa29

    HunterSdVa29 Respect, tho Platinum Member

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    ensure that the worst possible candidate in Presidential history is one of the participants
     
  3. uppercutbus

    uppercutbus Black Belt

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    I loled at reinforcements.

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  4. Fawlty

    Fawlty Raepublican

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    Again with this not understanding democracy thing? A constitutional republic is a democracy. It's reasonable to ask whether the electoral college is not democratic enough under the democratic system of constitutional republicanism when it produces election results that stray too far from popular opinion.
     
  5. KantoTerror

    KantoTerror Silver Belt

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    Only people who don't like the end result feels like the elections has been rigged....
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  6. HIMBOB

    HIMBOB Steel Belt

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    You would want as many people as possible to be disappointed with the current leader and it would reduce their support.
     
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  7. HIMBOB

    HIMBOB Steel Belt

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    No less true is that when supported the winner they refuse to believe it could have been rigged.

    But that's not what this thread was about. Maybe I can't ask the question I asked in the current climate as both sides are a bit too emotional but I am still interested in people's answers to my question.
     
  8. Starman

    Starman Yellow Card Yellow Card

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    Exactly right. But Donald Trump did win a majority of the states and a majority of the electorate. Hillary Clinton didn't win a majority of anything. Do you understand now?

    The majority of voters thought 4 other candidates were better than Hillary Clinton.

    A majority of the states and a majority of the electorate thought Donald Trump was the best of the 5 candidates. Because Trump won those majorities, he won the presidency.

    None of the other 4 candidates won a majority of anything.

    Now do you understand?
     
  9. Rational Poster

    Rational Poster Scourge of the War Room

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    I understand completely. You were just wrong and assumed my argument.

    I never said a majority supported Clinton only that a majority didn't support Trump.
     
  10. curryjunkie

    curryjunkie mixed marital arts...

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  11. Starman

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    It isn't a democracy in the sense that most people here or indeed most people throughout the western world think of democracy (majority rules). It isn't the original Greek style of direct democracy where people voted on initiatives and whatever the majority decided on that was what they did. It is not a democracy in the sense that whichever candidate gets the most (or majority of) votes becomes the president.

    This is the very issue people don't understand, and why they get angry and sarcastically say "is this how a democracy is supposed to work" when their candidate loses. Because they simply don't understand the difference between democracies and republics. There is a difference.

    The United States was not designed to be a democracy. It was never designed to hand power over to an angry mob. The popular vote has zero to do with an election, as it should be.

    In a true democracy (majority rules), minorities have no voice. Ever. It is a mathematical impossibility. The electoral college was designed to prevent the majority from tyrannizing the minority.

    For example, this is every state in the Union that has a SMALLER population than that of a COUNTY (L.A. County):

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    In a true democracy, California and New York would determine every election, and no one from any other state would ever matter again. Is that fair?

    This is why our founding fathers designed the electoral college:

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    So that one or two states (consisting of a big, large, angry mob) couldn't dictate the fate of the entire nation.
     
  12. Starman

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    Do you need a refresher on what you actually said, instead of what you now wish you had said?

    Yes, it is how majorities work. Anything else?
     
  14. Starman

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    Refuse to believe what? Your imaginary crimes of rigging? Or do you think this really happened? If you think an election was rigged, say it, and then prove it. If not, there is nothing for anyone here to believe or disbelieve. It is a hypothetical question.
     
  15. Steve-French

    Steve-French What A Rush!!!

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    If you take away California Hillary would have not won the popular vote. She also won New York. I know we're going to disagree on this, but one or two states shouldn't have a voice over the entire country. This is the purpose of the electoral college.
     
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    But she won the majority of California and NYC and that should be enough because theirs is the only opinion that should or even could matter.
     
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  17. Rational Poster

    Rational Poster Scourge of the War Room

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    Again, I never said Clinton earned a majority only implied that a majority did not vote for Trump.

    I know how they work dude. You were arguing a against a position I never took in this thread.

    You were wrong I am right.

    A majority of Americas did not support Trump, 53%.
     
  18. Rational Poster

    Rational Poster Scourge of the War Room

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    The blue counties produce 66% of the country's wealth though.
     
  19. Starman

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    Do you need a refresher on what you actually said, instead of what you now wish you had said?

    Yes, it is how majorities work. Anything else?
     
  20. Starman

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    Because L.A. County has a larger population than the overwhelming number of states in the Union. Of course they would produce more of the country's wealth.

    Not only do you think minorities shouldn't have a voice when it comes to elections, but now you imply that only the wealthy's voices should be heard?
     

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