I'm not sure GSP should really get credit as a 2 division champion | Page 8

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  1. rockylion WITH A PLASTIC BAG FOR A HELMET

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    But some championship teams are clearly better than others. So if official champ doesn't mean real champ in the UFC, why would it mean real champ in the NFL? Organizations set their rules for how a champ is determined, and who they say is champ is in fact by definition champ.

    You might argue that an organization's championship doesn't mean much, but that's very different than saying their official champ isn't their champ.
     
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    well only took one post to get to the bottom of that ..thread should of been locked and wastlanded after this post
     
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    what are you arguing here?
     
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    here maybe you should read this take on things, maybe get your head on right

    AnotherOldGuy said:
    But some championship teams are clearly better than others. So if official champ doesn't mean real champ in the UFC, why would it mean real champ in the NFL? Organizations set their rules for how a champ is determined, and who they say is champ is in fact by definition champ.

    You might argue that an organization's championship doesn't mean much, but that's very different than saying their official champ isn't their champ.
     
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  8. MescalineDreams Black Belt

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    Thread title aside, what exactly was wrong about anything In my actual post?
     
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    That's the point...
     
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  10. Foppa21 Brown Belt

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    You can dispute "strength of schedule", particularly the MW. But he was the man in two weight divisions before he beat the men (WHOOOOO!).

    Are you going to take away Bisping's credential as a former champion because he beat a guy that should've known better? I guess Buster Douglas didn't win against Mike Tyson either huh?
     
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    Like I said, he's the equivalent of Matt serra In terms of legitimacy as a champion. That's the reality.

    What you said Isn't necessarily untrue but I think we need to be a little objective here.
     
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    No offence to him, but Eddie Alvarez is a GOAT?
     
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    Nope GSP's belt is the real one because GSP beat the real champ, the guy who beat Luke Rockhold who was the real champ before Bisping that's the way it works.

    Two good wins does not mean your automatically considered the real champ. When Rockhold won the belt he had a great 5 fight win streak but at the end of the day he still got KO'd by Bisping. Maybe the same would have happened to Whittaker who knows. That's the thing about this sport you don't know until the fight actually happens. That's why playing fantasy scenarios like this doesn't ever work because MMA is to unpredictable. It's easier to just follow the belt.
     
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    "Isn't necessarily untrue"???

    I've accepted that yes, his strength of schedule may not be the toughest but he beat the guy that was the champion, and ergo became a champion, in a second weight division. You may not want to give him kudos for it, but it's a fact.

    You can argue that in the annals for multi weight division UFC champions his position is not the highest, but don't try to take that away from the guy.

    FWIW, off the top of my head, for the multi division champions at this time, I'd rank them something along the lines of:

    Randy Couture
    daylight
    GSP
    BJ Penn
    Conor McGregor

    Randy defended both titles multiple times. GSP and BJ never defended both titles (as yet in the case of GSP) so I've ranked them on title defences in primary division and then Conor who has yet to defend either of the titles he's won (I'm at this stage ignoring the interim title)
     
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    Agreed.

    He is a two division champion, that's a fact. But what a lame ass one.
     
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    I'm a GSP fan but let's be honest here.

    But he only came back when a obviously easy matchup was there, who by all accounts is barely a top 5 MW.

    Say what you want about Conor, or him beating Eddie Alvarez, but atleast he signed to fight RDA too, and would have clearly fought any LW for that Belt. Does anyone see GSP challenging anyone but Bisping?
     
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    I am a big fan of Conor but at least GSP defended his belt. Numerous times at that.
     
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    Everyone knows that.
    But that's completely beside the point I was making.

    Obviously GSP is the far greater champ and higher on the P4P list.

    They were keeping Bisping away from top contenders for a reason, and GSP won't fight those same contenders. So the MW belt is incredibly devalued imo
     
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  19. 315MMAFighter MąïȚře Đë Đəğåť§ - Pure Dominican

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    Wow, very well said and likes all deserved
     
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    simple as that, no need for any mental gymnastics
     
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