I'm on TRT

At 250mg/week, probably not. You mentioned going as high as 500-700, though. That could cause problems, but I'm not an expert. Keep monitoring it.

I get blood work done every 8 weeks, and right now it's on the high end of healthy, but from what I have heard it is more of a long term issue. I've heard of guys on normal (100mg/week) TRT doses getting it after a year or more of use.
 
clomid therapy =/= TRT.

This comment came up before.
If you want to nit pick, Clomid could be more appropriately called HRT.
It does in effect give you more testosterone, but does not 'replace' natural test with synthetic test.

500+mg a week of injections would also not be TRT.
That would be cheating (in America at least, and most any professional sport in the world.)

As for hematocrit levels. I need to go back and check my scores... and this kind of sounds wrong here, but I think my levels were too high before starting Clomid, but then all my levels were within range after using the drug.
My last bloodtest though did not check the whole range, so maybe it was missing this part of it...

I'm not long into this therapy, and I've only had 1 single blood test since starting.
I'll post up my new results every 3 months or so.
 
This comment came up before.
If you want to nit pick, Clomid could be more appropriately called HRT.
It does in effect give you more testosterone, but does not 'replace' natural test with synthetic test.

500+mg a week of injections would also not be TRT.
That would be cheating (in America at least, and most any professional sport in the world.)

As for hematocrit levels. I need to go back and check my scores... and this kind of sounds wrong here, but I think my levels were too high before starting Clomid, but then all my levels were within range after using the drug.
My last bloodtest though did not check the whole range, so maybe it was missing this part of it...

I'm not long into this therapy, and I've only had 1 single blood test since starting.
I'll post up my new results every 3 months or so.
As stated, I compete in an untested division in my sport. There is a tested division for natural competitors.

It might be possible that LOW testosterone can also screw up hematocrit? Low testosterone actually has a whole host of side effects along with it that are worse than high testosterone, so I could see it happening. Would be interested in any blood work you get, especially regarding test levels on such a low dose of clomid. Most clinical research I've seen uses AT LEAST 25mg a day. But, it's a powerful drug so I suppose that a low dose could work long term. Also counteracts all the shitty mood swings and irritability you get on higher dosed clomid.
 
Also, wasn't trying to nit pick, sorry if I came across that way. It's just that the results and side effects from clomid therapy vs TRT will vary quite a bit, making my original question not very applicable to the situation.
 
Would be interested in any blood work you get, especially regarding test levels on such a low dose of clomid. Most clinical research I've seen uses AT LEAST 25mg a day. But, it's a powerful drug so I suppose that a low dose could work long term. Also counteracts all the shitty mood swings and irritability you get on higher dosed clomid.

Before starting Clomid, I was in the 220ng/dl.
After using only 50-75mg per week for a month, then not taking any medications for 72hrs before my test, I got up to 589ng/dl.

I have found that with just 1 pill per week (50mg split in 2 doses), I can feel normal again. Anything less and I feel like shit, anything more and it seems unnecessary.

A friend of mine tried patches (2.5mg a day) and said he only noticed a little change after a weeks usage. He tried Clomid the next week and for him, it worked better.
It should be noted that Clomid is shown to be much more effective in younger men, and provides almost nothing to those over 65.

I'm trying to take the lowest possible dose, since I am young and want to limit the side effects as much as I can. So far I have none... just wait until I post that I'm blind 6 months from now.
 
Before starting Clomid, I was in the 220ng/dl.
After using only 50-75mg per week for a month, then not taking any medications for 72hrs before my test, I got up to 589ng/dl.

Holy bejesus... I had no idea it was really that effective, that's going from hypogonadal to healthy, thriving levels with less clomid than most people take in a week. I will have to make note of this, very interesting.
 
I will have to make note of this, very interesting.

Should also be noted that I have seen a study showing levels to rise by 2x from just 1 weeks use.
Also, the study I brought to my doctor showed 25mg every other day taken for (I think) 18 months did not produce any significant side effects and raised the average persons test levels by 250% (2.5).

But remember, these are people with low T.
Regular dudes might only get a small jump in levels.
 
Should also be noted that I have seen a study showing levels to rise by 2x from just 1 weeks use.
Also, the study I brought to my doctor showed 25mg every other day taken for (I think) 18 months did not produce any significant side effects and raised the average persons test levels by 250% (2.5).

But remember, these are people with low T.
Regular dudes might only get a small jump in levels.

really glad your keeping this thread informative
 
This comment came up before.
If you want to nit pick, Clomid could be more appropriately called HRT.
It does in effect give you more testosterone, but does not 'replace' natural test with synthetic test.

500+mg a week of injections would also not be TRT.
That would be cheating (in America at least, and most any professional sport in the world.)

As for hematocrit levels. I need to go back and check my scores... and this kind of sounds wrong here, but I think my levels were too high before starting Clomid, but then all my levels were within range after using the drug.
My last bloodtest though did not check the whole range, so maybe it was missing this part of it...

I'm not long into this therapy, and I've only had 1 single blood test since starting.
I'll post up my new results every 3 months or so.

No its not HRT or TRT. It your idiosyncratic treatment handed down by your family physician who is not a qualified specialist in this area. You do not have enough knowledge to be handing out advice on TRT and it shows rather painfully in some of your posts.

I don't want to go way back for quotes but didn't you get libido issues because of your vicodin addiction and aren't you just coming back from that problem? Vicodin strongly depresses testosterone production and is a more likely root cause of your problem rather than any idiopathic condition for low test that you say you are having.
 
I will start by saying that in talking with others on TRT------everyone seems to respond differently to the various meds commonly used.

I started with T cream, and used 5, 10, and 20 strength. If you buy this stuff from a compounding pharmacy it costs about $60-$90 a month for average dosage based on the strength. The cost is a fraction of the major brand. This treatment works fine for many people, by my results weren't too good as I don't seem to absorb well.

Frequent blood and or urine tests are needed to really know where you are. For those that don't have insurance I would say negotiate. I was able to get a 40% discount for cash from their regular prices at the hospital lab.

Next I went on IM injections of Test Cyp which I do myself. This is working fine for me. I have managed to get this down to almost pain free. Originally I was using 1 1/2" 22 ga. needles, now I am using 25 ga. 1 " I shoot in the butt. I think 1 shot per week is minimum to flatten out the peaks and valleys. I can see that more are leaning to more frequent sub Q injections, and I think that will be the future.

I have used HCG, but for me there was no effect. I have tried other combinations ---all by Drs. orders-----Armour, Synthroid, HC, GHRP6 etc. with little in the way of results.

Hope the input helps. Find a good Dr. and make sure to get the blood tests! In this therapy more is not always better-----it just tends to throw something else out of whack!
 
Ive tried TRT. Im im my mid 30s. They ran blood tests and determined I need about 200mg of test cyp injections weekly which they administered themselves. Paid $10 co pay per visit. they also prescribed arimidex at .5mg twice a week for estrogen control.

I train and lift weights and while on TRT, I managed to get pretty lean and toned up. My libido was great and I felt good about the monthly blood monitoring.

I took a break from it due to my extreme work schedule. I couldnt keep all my appts. But I would do it again if I could do my own shots and not go off schedule. It does suck not being on trt as far as libido and muscle recovery and fat loss.

All in all, I think it is fantastic
 
I have not been on steroids or GH but for a man of my age HCG has done wonders. It is perfectly legal but still is banned for pro sports but it does not involve bringing in testosterone from the outside and injecting it, it helps your body increase its own production so instead of having unusually high amounts in you your body stays in the normal/normal high range. It is a fact that your test production drops about 1% per year starting in your late 20's. HCG has helped me feel better and even lose a few pounds.

If you ever think about it, you can get it here and cheaper with the coupon code "$20 Off" Buy 28 Day HCG Injections Kit ONLY 139.99
 
If testosterone only starts dropping frmo late 20s or 30s, why do people say that it is at its highest when you're around 18-21?

I'm not doubting, in fact I'm more inclined to believe it peaks late 20s, otherwise wouldn't athletes be in their best shape at 21, and bodybuilders at their biggest?
 
If testosterone only starts dropping frmo late 20s or 30s, why do people say that it is at its highest when you're around 18-21?

I'm not doubting, in fact I'm more inclined to believe it peaks late 20s, otherwise wouldn't athletes be in their best shape at 21, and bodybuilders at their biggest?

Look up "muscle maturity" to explain your paradox.
 
1) No injections, I don't like needles.
2) I have the option for injections, creams, patches or something similar to Aromadex. I am choosing Clomid.
3) No. I would likely require HCG if I was on injections for test, although I was told not every man has sterility problems with on shots.
4) I have been told it is not too affective: "In younger men, no statistically significant effect of DHEA supplementation on lean body mass, strength, or testosterone levels was found in a randomized placebo-controlled trial."
5) None.


If they're putting you on Arimidex/Clomid, then technically it isn't TRT yet. The doctor is seeing if your test levels can climb up to normal with SERMS and Aromatase Inhibitors. Those are not guaranteed to always work, so they would probably put you on real testosterone.
 
If they're putting you on Arimidex/Clomid, then technically it isn't TRT yet. The doctor is seeing if your test levels can climb up to normal with SERMS and Aromatase Inhibitors. Those are not guaranteed to always work, so they would probably put you on real testosterone.

Yeah, very true. If I'm not mistaken, TS said he was recovering from long-term prescription opium use. If I were a doctor, I'd put him on Clomid first, too. Sounds like his doctor knew what was up.
 
Yeah, very true. If I'm not mistaken, TS said he was recovering from long-term prescription opium use. If I were a doctor, I'd put him on Clomid first, too. Sounds like his doctor knew what was up.

TS brought Doc a study about Clomid, and asked to use that instead of the cream. Doc said, sure. TS was tinkering with MED when he got banned. Sad as his personal experience had a lot to offer this forum & the MMA community at large with the goings on with TRT & HRT in the MMA media lately. Looks like he got himself banned in a Trevon Martin thread in the War Room though, I can't be for sure.
 
TS brought Doc a study about Clomid, and asked to use that instead of the cream. Doc said, sure. TS was tinkering with MED when he got banned. Sad as his personal experience had a lot to offer this forum & the MMA community at large with the goings on with TRT & HRT in the MMA media lately. Looks like he got himself banned in a Trevon Martin thread in the War Room though, I can't be for sure.

Of course he had to go and get himself banned -_____-
 
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