In one video, Vice news shows how Democrats plan to continue losing.

[BruceLeeOnTRT]

Whether you agree with his socialist ideas or not, Bernie will not be able to unite the Democrat party, and will have an even harder time passing things through congress than Trump does.

His stance on TPP was really the thing that made him shine against establishment Democrats, and that's no longer an issue thanks to Trump. I dont see a replay of the 2016 Bernie plarform doing as well as an establishment Democrat under a Better Deal platform. I think it's a better strategy for their party in the long term. The right move for them is to get rid of all the botox grandmas and bring in younger candidates.

 

[DespicablePeep]

Trotsky and whats the brilliant solution for the accumulation of wealth? Just give me one example on how government can intervene to raise the income of america middle class.

 

[VivaRevolution]

Trotsky and whats the brilliant solution for the accumulation of wealth? Just give me one example on how government can intervene to raise the income of america middle class.

I'll take this one. The recognition that labor is a commodity, and is dictated by supply and demand. That if you want wages to rise, you must have more demand for labor, then supply.

That what is good for GDP, corporate profits/growth, and government tax revenue, is not what is good for the American worker in our current economic paradigm.

 

[Jack V Savage]

Trotsky and whats the brilliant solution for the accumulation of wealth? Just give me one example on how government can intervene to raise the income of america middle class.

In terms of short-term, politically possible ideas strong anti-trust regs and enforcement might be the most important thing right now, and the other top thing is encouraging urbanization/bringing urban housing costs down by allowing more construction. Encouraging unionization can also help (or at least stop actively discouraging it). More (particularly high-skilled) immigration. Shifting the tax burden from labor to capital. The EITC is a big help to lower middle-class workers. The economy is currently doing well and near full employment, but one of the most important things gov't can do for the middle class is aggressively promote full employment during downturns (first through expansionary monetary and fiscal policy). Child-care support was an idea discussed during the campaign that would help.

That what is good for GDP, corporate profits/growth, and government tax revenue, is not what is good for the American worker in our current economic paradigm.

This is wrong. You can only raise median incomes by raising overall incomes or by decreasing inequality. I get focusing on inequality first, but obviously what is good for GDP and growth is good for the American worker.

 

[cincymma79]

Yeah, you know except for 1940-1970 america, when even republicans were economic progressives.

So all we need to do is kill off everyone in Europe and Russia then take over the entire industrial capacity for the world

 

[Fawlty]

The divisive Bernie/Jill wing (which means about half of Bernie supporters and nearly every Jill supporter) of the democratic party is bad for us just like the Tea Party was bad for principled conservatives. I'll be glad when they shut the fuck up and stop trying to eat their own. Little cannibalistic opportunists.

 

[VivaRevolution]

In terms of short-term, politically possible ideas strong anti-trust regs and enforcement might be the most important thing right now, and the other top thing is encouraging urbanization/bringing urban housing costs down by allowing more construction. Encouraging unionization can also help (or at least stop actively discouraging it). More (particularly high-skilled) immigration. Shifting the tax burden from labor to capital. The EITC is a big help to lower middle-class workers. The economy is currently doing well and near full employment, but one of the most important things gov't can do for the middle class is aggressively promote full employment during downturns. Child-care support was an idea discussed during the campaign that would help.



This is wrong. You can only raise median incomes by raising overall incomes or by decreasing inequality. I get focusing on inequality first, but obviously what is good for GDP and growth is good for the American worker.

Not if you increase GDP, without increasing demand for labor, which is what has been occurring relative to our labor growth. This is why wages have been stagnant for almost 50 years.

Trade liberalization can be done in a way that benefits the American worker, but that is not what has occurred.

Backlash against TPP is evidence of this.

 

[VivaRevolution]

So all we need to do is kill off everyone in Europe and Russia then take over the entire industrial capacity for the world

There is zero evidence that market share determines standard of living. Look at China for evidence of this. Look at our country today for evidence of this.

 

[Jack V Savage]

Not if you increase GDP, without increasing demand for labor, which is what has been occurring relative to our labor growth. This is why wages have been stagnant for almost 50 years.

You should write a paper. Mystery solved.

Here's a recent one that comes to a different conclusion:

http://www.janeeckhout.com/wp-content/uploads/RMP.pdf

Anyway, it's certainly possible for GDP growth not to benefit people at the middle, if inequality eats the growth, and that's happened to some extent. But GDP growth is generally good for the middle class.

Trade liberalization can be done in a way that benefits the American worker, but that is not what has occurred.

Backlash against TPP is evidence of this.

Backlash against the TPP was just political posturing.

 

[theBLADE1]

The divisive Bernie/Jill wing (which means about half of Bernie supporters and nearly every Jill supporter) of the democratic party is bad for us just like the Tea Party was bad for principled conservatives. I'll be glad when they shut the fuck up and stop trying to eat their own. Little cannibalistic opportunists.

But you see that's just the thing, the only people who should be having to shut the fuck up are the people who keep losing. It turns out that isn't the Bernie/Jill side of the party. This air of pompous arrogance that the Democrats can do no wrong and don't actually have to change to support anything is just as fanatical as the attacks levied against Sanders supports. Centrist mainstream Democrats have had their turns and fucked it up.

It's our turn now and we aren't going away.

 

[Fawlty]

But you see that's just the thing, the only people who should be having to shut the fuck up are the people who keep losing. It turns out that isn't the Bernie/Jill side of the party. This air of pompous arrogance that the Democrats can do no wrong and don't actually have to change to support anything is just as fanatical as the attacks levied against Sanders supports. Centrist mainstream Democrats have had their turns and fucked it up.

It's our turn now and we aren't going away.

It's your turn now? Alright, throw Kanye up there along with every other empty populist promise in the galaxy and roll the dice. God help me, I might actually become Republican in 2024 if we elect Donkey Trump.

 

[theBLADE1]

It's your turn now? Alright, throw Kanye up there along with every other empty populist promise in the galaxy and roll the dice. God help me, I might actually become Republican in 2024 if we elect Donkey Trump.

See now you're just conflating the issue to something it isn't. You think populist promises are empty because you don't know any better and you don't in fact care to. No one's talking about Kanye or the Rock. Were talking about real political progressives. Democrats don't lose because of the progressive wing of the party they lose because they don't know how and they cannot motivate people to get out to vote or be interested in politics at all.

This isn't a hard concept to grasp.

 

[DannyNL]

I think the one thing that has been made clear is that the American people need a VIABLE third option.

 

[Amerikuracana]

I was juuuuust out of the picture there. So close. I was there.

Look at Donald trumps last commercial right before the election.. He talks about giving the government back to the people, and how trillions of dollars are at stake for the already wealthy who don't want that to happen. THAT'S WHY HE WON. He talked about the importance of jobs and the return of industry, and he was anti-establishment. Vice and Jack Vs are Democrat plants who want to make sure the scam continues. Bernie would have made it WAYYYYY closer.

 

[splendica]

They've got to quit doing this garbage to themselves

 

[theBLADE1]

I was juuuuust out of the picture there. So close. I was there.

Look at Donald trumps last commercial right before the election.. He talks about giving the government back to the people, and how trillions of dollars are at stake for the already wealthy who don't want that to happen. THAT'S WHY HE WON. He talked about the importance of jobs and the return of industry, and he was anti-establishment. Vice and Jack Vs are Democrat plants who want to make sure the scam continues. Bernie would have made it WAYYYYY closer.

I still firmly believe Sanders would have won the general. He would've won all the states Hillary lost that she was supposed to win because his was a campaign of substance. She lost Ohio and Pennsylvania because people wanted their jobs back and to be secured. They didn't feel they were ever going to get that from her.

 

[Jack V Savage]

But you see that's just the thing, the only people who should be having to shut the fuck up are the people who keep losing. It turns out that isn't the Bernie/Jill side of the party. This air of pompous arrogance that the Democrats can do no wrong and don't actually have to change to support anything is just as fanatical as the attacks levied against Sanders supports. Centrist mainstream Democrats have had their turns and fucked it up.

It's our turn now and we aren't going away.

Yep. If there's one thing that the far left, especially Stein, is known for in America, it's winning elections. People might not always agree with Stein, but you can't deny her track record.

 

[theBLADE1]

Yep. If there's one thing that the far left, especially Stein, is known for in America, it's winning elections. People might not always agree with Stein, but you can't deny her track record.

Of course nobody ever thought she would win. She only got as many votes as she did because the DNC spurred so many Sanders supporters into voting for her. You still miss the point which isn't surprising.

Out with the old that doesn't work and in with the new which is basically our only chance at this point.

 

[cincymma79]

There is zero evidence that market share determines standard of living. Look at China for evidence of this. Look at our country today for evidence of this.

China has been a production hub for 40 years?

 

[jeffk]

I'll have to watch the video later.

But it seems like it will fit in with this idea from Mark Lilla. I am new to Lilla but as far as I can tell he is correct. He is a liberal but doesn't like identity politics.

From an interview:

SIEGEL: You write in the book, electoral politics is a little like fishing. And you say, when you fish, you get up early in the morning. You go to where the fish are, not to where you might wish them to be. You drop bait into the water, bait being defined as something they want to eat, not as healthy choices.

And once the fish realize they're hooked, they may resist. Let them. Loosen your line. Eventually they'll calm down.

The identity liberals' approach to fishing is to remain on shore, yelling at the fish about the historical wrongs visited on them by the sea and the need for aquatic life to renounce its privilege, all in the hope that the fish will collectively confess their sins and swim to shore to be netted.

That's a rather scathing image of Democratic politics.

LILLA: And then I add, if that's your picture of politics, you'd better become a vegan.