Is Fedor Emelianenko a better or worse than BJJ Black Belt?

How many BJJ black belts are Sambo International Master of Sport level grapplers?
 
He's great at Sambo and Judo which makes him better than a BJJ guy by default, of course.
 
People here have a very interesting and borderline mythical definition of black belt.

I'd take old Fedor over no name Gracie Barra black belt coaches any day.

Sambo apparently does not count as grappling (sup Khabib!)...

And you have to win ADCC now to be a black belt?
 
You don’t need a ranking in BJJ or have to compete in IBJJF tournaments to be good on the ground. Yoshida would probably tap most BJJ black belts in his prime. Josh Barnett even said Yoshida was a wizard on the ground.

There’s a Japanese Judo BB that used teach at Budokwai in London, he used to have very close back and forth battles with Roger Gracie. And this was back when Roger was still young and in his prime.

Fedor is world class Judo and world class sambo.
 
INTERL0PER said:
I would say Fedor has black belt level grappling... But there are black belts and then there are black belts.

I have no idea if he would have been competitive in the international bjj scene during his prime or not. If he'd focused purely on his grappling I wouldn't be surprised. His judo and sambo base would transfer over pretty well and he was athletic as hell with super quick hips. His arm bar on Coleman is still one of my favorite MMA arm bars.
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I think you mean armbarS. didn't he tap him twice with the same one?
 
probably got a decent choke game in the sambo jacket I would imagine but I don't know if they have chokes like that

plus who knows how good his leg lock defense is lol
 
mattemate said:
What's wrong with you? IveI never trained with Roberto but know lots of people who have. I'm saying right now, at this moment, Fedor could put on a gi and go bjj rules and not get tapped. Why is that so far fetched? He was almost on the Russian judo team, has a TON of subs in mma, and has only been subbed once by Fabricio Fucking Werdum. He also has probably 50 pounds on the kid.

I'm not saying he'd beat Buchecha. Why your panties in such a wad?
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Does Fedor know how to deal with de la riva, rdlr, spider, x, single x, deep half, knee torque/dogfight, berimbolo fuckery, inside roll/kiss of the dragon fuckery, and all those in between hybrid guards like half spider, de la x, ..., and all that modern lapel clusterfuck?
If the answer is no, than Fedor ain't beating anybody in high level jiu jitsu.


I have seen every single Fedor fight and a lot of of his sambo matches, not once I have seen him demonstrate to have a good passing and guard game to compete at a high level in jiu jitsu.
 
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It's still funny to me how Fedor's later matches mean he could never grapple. I guess that means Big Nog was always bad too, since he got armlocked by Mir.
 
Hobby Bjj black belts or instructors? Fedor.
World champion Bjj guys under Bjj rules? World Champ Bjj guys
Under MMA rules? Fedor.
 
Didn't the only world champion bjj guy who he fought under MMA rules tap him?
 
Bubblun said:
Does Fedor know how to deal with de la riva, rdlr, spider, x, single x, deep half, knee torque/dogfight, berimbolo fuckery, inside roll/kiss of the dragon fuckery, and all those in between hybrid guards like half spider, de la x, ..., and all that modern lapel clusterfuck?
If the answer is no, than Fedor ain't beating anybody in high level jiu jitsu.


I have seen every single Fedor fight and a lot of of his sambo matches, not once I have seen him demonstrate to have a good passing and guard game to compete at a high level in jiu jitsu.
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well if you say so, Marcelo Garcia
 
There's something like 10,000 BJJ black belts in the world (based on various Google estimates, I doubt anyone knows for sure). I suspect at his prime he beats 9,000 of them under BJJ rules simply because of athletic ability, and probably gives the next 500 a pretty good match.

But specialists are very hard to beat at their sport. The top 500 BJJ black belts are going to beat Fedor under BJJ rules. And at this point the top 500 judo black belts are going to beat Fedor under judo rules (he hasn't done competitive judo for almost two decades). I've no idea how he'd do in sambo (the grappling variety, not combat sambo with its strikes), but I suspect at this point he'd lose to the top guys.

People don't realize just how specialized the top guys in any sport are. Its why very few athletes are world class in two sports, even in very related sports like freestyle and greco-roman wrestling. Being world class in a composite sport doesn't translate well, you're spread too thin. Its why the best decathlete in the world would lose to world class specialists in all ten events, and why the best triathlete in the world would lose to top level marathon runners in running, to top level swimmers in swimming, to top level cyclists in cycling.
 
Wonder who'd win, those Ryner and what's his name gracies who runs those youtube Gracie Channel vs Fedor in BJJ
My understanding is they are black belts, but don't have any bjj accomplishments?
 
id prob think he might not be as technical as a good black belt but skill athletcism yes he dominates average black
 
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