Is this accurate about electric cars?

No offense but you live in the boonies. I'm in southern california and every home has 100-250 amps service. I'm having a 100 amp panel put in my garage just for saws. About ten years ago we used to have brown outs during the summer. It would hit every person, for 8hrs, about each 3 or four summers. Never happened to me so they were applied very sparingly. They did something to boost production since then, despite permanently losing a nuclear reactor in San Onofre to maintenance issues.



Why are you adding the charge time just to calculate a MPH? The average person never drives more than 300 miles. And if they do, they drive for 8-10 hours and sleep a night.



My monthly usage, haven't started the saws yet, is 438 kwh for $93. Thats $.21 per kwh or $3.39 to fill a 16 kwh electric tank.
Note mine includes both peak and base rate prices. It would be even cheaper if you only charge at night.



My ex had a nissan leaf with 21000 miles for $7,500. It would only go 75 miles though so she would charge for free at a few different places around school and work. If she had to drive a long ways she would borrow her families extra car.


Note: I own two 13mpg v8's and a twin turbo v6. I won't be getting an electric until I win the lottery and can afford a p85D

CPUC sets rates for PGE and Edison. 21 cents a kWh is pretty much our baseline price. Not Bitcoin mining prices. LoL. Fuck CA
 
I'd like to see why he cut and paste this from an old man's blog
 
LIAR. I have PG&E in California and have pretty much the highest electricity prices in the nation. Baseline tier 1 is .20 kwh. Even if you hit tier 3 and have the highest rate in the nation it is 40 cents a kWh.

Nobdy pays $1.16 per kWh, that is A FULL DOLLAR more than average Americans pay.


lmao, and residential solar is growing at a similar rate to electric car adoption. This will ease infrastructure problems like what is happening in CA. PG&E has been cancelling projects and infrastructure upgrades because of solar generation is easing the burden.
Sdge charges $.14/ kwh at peak and $.07/ kWh off times. So his calculations are a bit off for us as well.

But I have solar/wind power so don't ever have a power bill.
 
Sdge charges $.14/ kwh at peak and $.07/ kWh off times. So his calculations are a bit off for us as well.

But I have solar/wind power so don't ever have a power bill.
.07 kWh? Where are you? You should mine Bitcoin
 
Electricity has to be one of the least efficient ways to power things.

Underrated nugget of knowledge here.

I for one keep my lights on with mice running on wheels and get around town with an ultra cheap horse and buggy. Some cheese and a few pounds of oats and hours of shoveling feces a week, and I'm golden.
 
States will just increase the cost of DMV taxes to make up the difference.
 
Even if all of this is true it is still something we should continue to work towards.
 
INTERESTING - ONE OTHER QUESTION. IF ELECTRIC CARS DO NOT USE GASOLINE, THEY WILL NOT PARTICIPATE IN PAYING A GASOLINE TAX ON EVERY GALLON THAT IS SOLD FOR AUTOMOBILES, WHICH WAS ENACTED SOME YEARS AGO TO HELP TO MAINTAIN OUR ROADS AND BRIDGES. THEY WILL USE THE ROADS, BUT WILL NOT PAY FOR THEIR MAINTENANCE!


In case you were thinking of buying hybrid or an electric car:

Ever since the advent of electric cars, the REAL cost per mile of those things has never been discussed. All you ever heard was the mpg in terms of gasoline, with nary a mention of the cost of electricity to run it. This is the first article I’ve ever seen and tells the story pretty much as I expected it to

Electricity has to be one of the least efficient ways to power things yet they’re being shoved down our throats. Glad somebody finally put engineering and math to paper.

At a neighborhood BBQ I was talking to a neighbor, a BC Hydro executive. I asked him how that renewable thing was doing. He laughed, then got serious. If you really intend to adopt electric vehicles, he pointed out, you had to face certain realities. For example, a home charging system for a Tesla requires 75 amp service. The average house is equipped with 100 amp service. On our small street (approximately 25 homes), the electrical infrastructure would be unable to carry more than three houses with a single Tesla, each. For even half the homes to have electric vehicles, the system would be wildly over-loaded.

This is the elephant in the room with electric vehicles. Our residential infrastructure cannot bear the load. So as our genius elected officials promote this nonsense, not only are we being urged to buy these things and replace our reliable, cheap generating systems with expensive, new windmills and solar cells, but we will also have to renovate our entire delivery system! This latter "investment" will not be revealed until we're so far down this dead end road that it will be presented with an 'OOPS...!' and a shrug.

If you want to argue with a green person over cars that are eco-friendly, just read the following. Note: If you ARE a green person, read it anyway. It’s enlightening.

Eric test drove the Chevy Volt at the invitation of General Motors and he writes, "For four days in a row, the fully charged battery lasted only 25 miles before the Volt switched to the reserve gasoline engine.” Eric calculated the car got 30 mpg including the 25 miles it ran on the battery. So, the range including the 9-gallon gas tank and the 16 kwh battery is approximately 270 miles.

It will take you 4.5 hours to drive 270 miles at 60 mph. Then add 10 hours to charge the battery and you have a total trip time of 14.5 hours. In a typical road trip your average speed (including charging time) would be 20 mph.

According to General Motors, the Volt battery holds 16 kwh of electricity. It takes a full 10 hours to charge a drained battery. The cost for the electricity to charge the Volt is never mentioned, so I looked up what I pay for electricity. I pay approximately (it varies with amount used and the seasons) $1.16 per kwh. 16 kwh x $1.16 per kwh = $18.56 to charge the battery. $18.56 per charge divided by 25 miles = $0.74 per mile to operate the Volt using the battery. Compare this to a similar size car with a gasoline engine that gets only 32 mpg. $3.19 per gallon divided by 32 mpg = $0.10 per mile

The gasoline powered car costs about $20,000 while the Volt costs $46,000-plus. So the American Government wants loyal Americans not to do the math, but simply pay three times as much for a car, that costs more than seven times as much to run, and takes three times longer to drive across the country.

$1.16 per kwh???

Insanely high consider American average is $0.08 to $0.17.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electricity_pricing

Bullshit has been called!
 
INTERESTING - ONE OTHER QUESTION. IF ELECTRIC CARS DO NOT USE GASOLINE, THEY WILL NOT PARTICIPATE IN PAYING A GASOLINE TAX ON EVERY GALLON THAT IS SOLD FOR AUTOMOBILES, WHICH WAS ENACTED SOME YEARS AGO TO HELP TO MAINTAIN OUR ROADS AND BRIDGES. THEY WILL USE THE ROADS, BUT WILL NOT PAY FOR THEIR MAINTENANCE!


In case you were thinking of buying hybrid or an electric car:

Ever since the advent of electric cars, the REAL cost per mile of those things has never been discussed. All you ever heard was the mpg in terms of gasoline, with nary a mention of the cost of electricity to run it. This is the first article I’ve ever seen and tells the story pretty much as I expected it to

Electricity has to be one of the least efficient ways to power things yet they’re being shoved down our throats. Glad somebody finally put engineering and math to paper.

At a neighborhood BBQ I was talking to a neighbor, a BC Hydro executive. I asked him how that renewable thing was doing. He laughed, then got serious. If you really intend to adopt electric vehicles, he pointed out, you had to face certain realities. For example, a home charging system for a Tesla requires 75 amp service. The average house is equipped with 100 amp service. On our small street (approximately 25 homes), the electrical infrastructure would be unable to carry more than three houses with a single Tesla, each. For even half the homes to have electric vehicles, the system would be wildly over-loaded.

This is the elephant in the room with electric vehicles. Our residential infrastructure cannot bear the load. So as our genius elected officials promote this nonsense, not only are we being urged to buy these things and replace our reliable, cheap generating systems with expensive, new windmills and solar cells, but we will also have to renovate our entire delivery system! This latter "investment" will not be revealed until we're so far down this dead end road that it will be presented with an 'OOPS...!' and a shrug.

If you want to argue with a green person over cars that are eco-friendly, just read the following. Note: If you ARE a green person, read it anyway. It’s enlightening.

Eric test drove the Chevy Volt at the invitation of General Motors and he writes, "For four days in a row, the fully charged battery lasted only 25 miles before the Volt switched to the reserve gasoline engine.” Eric calculated the car got 30 mpg including the 25 miles it ran on the battery. So, the range including the 9-gallon gas tank and the 16 kwh battery is approximately 270 miles.

It will take you 4.5 hours to drive 270 miles at 60 mph. Then add 10 hours to charge the battery and you have a total trip time of 14.5 hours. In a typical road trip your average speed (including charging time) would be 20 mph.

According to General Motors, the Volt battery holds 16 kwh of electricity. It takes a full 10 hours to charge a drained battery. The cost for the electricity to charge the Volt is never mentioned, so I looked up what I pay for electricity. I pay approximately (it varies with amount used and the seasons) $1.16 per kwh. 16 kwh x $1.16 per kwh = $18.56 to charge the battery. $18.56 per charge divided by 25 miles = $0.74 per mile to operate the Volt using the battery. Compare this to a similar size car with a gasoline engine that gets only 32 mpg. $3.19 per gallon divided by 32 mpg = $0.10 per mile

The gasoline powered car costs about $20,000 while the Volt costs $46,000-plus. So the American Government wants loyal Americans not to do the math, but simply pay three times as much for a car, that costs more than seven times as much to run, and takes three times longer to drive across the country.

You should do some research.

Regarding gas tax. In most States, like Ga, there is a higher registration fee for electric cars to compensate for the loss in gas tax. In fact the tax is too high. Assuming 12,000 miles per year a small electric vehicle pays an additional registration tax to cover the the fuel tax as if it was a Suburban.

Tesla’s positively do not require 75 amp breaker. They charge just fine ona 30 amp breaker. I know this for 2 reasons. First, I checked out the Tesla website and second, I installed a charger for my mom and a friend.

The Volt is not an electric car. It is a hybrid. The battery is designed to handle trips the grocery store. When the smallish battery is empty it switches to gas. Ona trip you can continue to fill it with gas and keep going. The Chevy Bolt is an electric vehicle. My mom’s Tesla goes about 320 miles on a charge which covers the vast majority of their use.

The rate to charge and electric vehicle at night (when most people do it) is less than $.014 per kw using GA Power. Full Tesla charge for about 300 miles is less than $5.
 
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Even if all of this is true it is still something we should continue to work towards.
None of it is true, if Chevy bolts were failing in large numbers it would be all over the news, his rates for electric are bullshit, its the angry ramblings of an idiot copy pasted by a moron
 
There are several things wrong with the original post but most notably, the price of electricity. Currently, electric vehicles make up about 2% of the new vehicles sold and less than 1% of the vehicles on the road. In those small numbers, they don't have much influence on anything yet.

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If you drive a vehicle the average of 12,000 miles per year and get the average 23 mpg you would use 522 gallons/year. Depending on the state you buy gas in, you would pay between $64 and $263 per year for gas tax. As long as there are only a few electric cars, states don't notice the difference. Some states have a fee for electric cars and others are considering it as electric vehicle sales increase.


Electric rates vary from 9.4 to 19.1 cents per kilowatt in the continental US and 30.75 cents in Hawaii. There are daytime and nighttime rates because there is less electricity used at night so the power companies try to encourage nighttime use to cut down the high daytime demand. As long as there are only a few electric vehicles, the nighttime demand won't increase by much. If every vehicle was electric, the nighttime demand would increase exponentially and those discounts would likely end.

Solar and wind power can be used but they have high up front costs and no long term record of usable life. Solar won't charge a vehicle at night so a battery needs to be charged during the day. The wind doesn't always blow so it can't be heavily relied on. It's probably cheaper to buy electricity from a power company in most states than to buy a wind/solar/battery system.

When more materials are needed for more batteries for vehicles and homes, it might up the cost of batteries.

As with anything, there are often unforeseen consequences.
 
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