Discussion in 'The Ultimate Fighter (TUF) Discussion' started by doozer, Aug 7, 2018.
I can name only one TUF winner for the last few years and it’s only because they gave her a belt
Uhh... dating back to 2015, the domestic TUF winners who have had at least 1 additional fight in the UFC are:
Aside from Andrew Sanchez, how can you not recognize every single one of those names?
Honestly, a guy (or girl i guess) can accomplish something extremely similar with one standout performance on Dana White's Tuesday Night Contender Series. That show has really made TUF kinda obsolete, in my opinion.
With the Contender Series, the winner has the opportunity to make a huge impression in front of the right people. They don't have to live in a frat house for however many weeks and fight a bunch of times.
SO to answer the question, is TUF still relevant, i'd say not so much anymore.
Yes, but if you win TUF, you're signed to the UFC.
You can have an extremely impressive performance on DWTNCS, and end up with crickets. Hell, Kyler Phillips won his fight on DWTNCS in 46 seconds, and his reward was being cast on TUF 27. (He would lose in the opening round to eventual tournament winner, Brad Katona.)
That’s not really what I meant. I’m sure I recognize even more TUF participants than the ones you noted. What I meant is I don’t associate anybody from who you listed from TUF. I know Usman of course, I didn’t know he was from TUF. Same with the others save Montano.
I don’t follow TUF and it’s not really a point of emphasis for the winners or past participants anymore. Atleast not from the commentators. I never really watched TUF even in its heyday but the winners and participants were always distinguished in some way.
True, and good point about Kyler Phillips.
On a slightly different note, what was up with Brad Katona's accent? He's like a regular Canadian dude who spent like a little time training in Ireland at SBG and suddenly he's got this ridiculous brogue that makes him sound like he has a speech impediment.
It bothered me for some reason lol.
lol at video title. maybe it's just a dweeby canadian accent?
That is a legitimate problem. I tried to watch it legally for a while. Heck I paid a dollar an episode when it was available for that. But I don't have the tv station, and I can't can't even pay to watch it legitimately. After they didn't air the final episodes before the finale and I had it spoiled I finally gave up and now steam it where ever they put it. But I agree. Pretty unhappy by how unaccessible they made it for me.
It accomplishes the same thing for the fighters in terms of giving them the same oppertunity. Maybe even a better oppertunity. They don't even have to be one of the best, they simply need to win one fight and make it exciting. But for me as a fan watching both, I remember most of the TUF contenders when they are on a UFC card and I'm pumped to see them. Most of the DWTNCS I might vaguely recognize the name and I assume they are one of those has fought once on the prelims guys, I don't realize they were on DWTNCS until I am told, and even then I don't remember them I just say... oh okay that's why I recognize their name.
It's pretty hard to recognize any of the names of something you don't watch or follow. My friends who only come to the occasional UFC recognize few if any fighters, but for myself who watches them all I recognize and remember most of them when they are on a card, and it makes the card one I am pumped for.
Last season I really watched was Jones vs Sonnen, mainly because I find Chael entertaining and his coaching/motivational talks were great.
actually alot of them don't even get signed. You need a spectacular finish to contract and even that won't guarantee a contract.
DWTNCS is alot more brutal than you think. 5 winners but only 1 or 2 are usually chosen, on a rare occasion 3. Sometimes the fighters have to fight again in DWTNCS. (Greg Hardy won and fought twice via KO and he's on a "developmental contract".)
i remember for a while it was like a crime to release a TUF finalist
I watched the first few TUF brazil but then decided to stick with English. But then Sonnen was on on the next season so I watched it for the same reason that Chael is entertaining.
I do know that a lot of them don't get signed. I watch them all. I also watched the first 3 episodes of Dana White's contender series Brazil and then I couldn't find any more of them, but I plan to look again.
But it is a lot more than 1 or 2 getting chosen. That is how it started out, but as more started finishing the number of contracts ramped up. I think the first season was like an average of 2 contracts a show. The second season it was 24 contracts, 3 a show, though sometimes it was 1 or 2, sometimes it was 3 or 4. And that is not even including the developmental contracts (I think 2 through the two seasons), or the people who made it onto TUF as a result... Or even the many fighters who got called into the UFC afterwards even though they didn't win their contract.
So with the 10 fighters now they are giving 3 of them contracts on average. And 6 more who weren't offered contracts have been given short notice replacement fights (most of those from season 1).
Furthermore I'm cheering for them to get that contract. I see a win and finish and like Dana I feel they deserve it. But they are still not proving it like through TUF, it is just one fight.
Furthermore I have to say that I don't like how DWTNCS is run because it is so "brutal". In that in TUF. If you win the season, you earn your contract. In DWTNCS you could put on a flawless performance and be the best on the show. But because someone had a flashier finish then you. Or because you are fighting a better opponent. Or because someone had a better record than you, you might not get the contract. It's not like in TUF where you can just fight them and show you deserve it more. It can be completely out of your hands.
So I prefer the tournament format.
I miss those days!
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