Islamic State Thread v6: Kurdistan Rising Edition

[Rod1]

I'm not sure what your first sentence suggests. Animals are euthanized via injectible barbiturates all the time.

Lethal injection is not about a barbiturate overdose, barbiturates is used to supposedly make the prisoner go unconsciouss (again not checked at all, not performed by trained personel), what actually kills is the muscle relaxant.

There is a clause in the humane slaughter act to exempt halal and kosher due to the infringement on the religious freedom act.

Throat slitting without rending the animal insensible first in any other circumstance is illegal when preformed outside of ritual religious (halal & kosher) slaughter.

This is certainly not true from true Kosher meat, it would result in lower meat quality if the animal suffered during slaughter. There are plenty of studies on meat quality and Kosher and none really find any difference between method of slaughter.

Cortisol level increase in animals have more to do with how animals are treated before slaughter, and i would say its the same for prisoners, far more fear before you are actually killed than during killing.

 

[Rod1]

1. Historical accounts.

Really? so lets take the word of XVIII people over the medical community?

2. Animal studies. There is no scientic study on human decapitation since the ability to study and measure cortisol in the brain for obvious reasons. However studies on animals have shown that this can and does occur.

Show them, here is one that says that execution method has no difference on meat quality.

http://ps.oxfordjournals.org/content/82/1/163.short

 

[Rod1]

Seems to be accepted that it's possible to be conscious for up to 20-30 seconds after decapitation.

So bro-science and hearsay?

Really man? i have seen people pass out from low blood pressure, yet you are telling me you can go 20-30 seconds with 0/0 blood pressure and remain consciouss? troll

Educate yourself a little man

http://books.google.com.mx/books?hl...page&q=blood pressure unconsciousness&f=false

http://archneurpsyc.jamanetwork.com/article.aspx?articleid=646621

http://brain.oxfordjournals.org/content/89/2/235.short

 

[Banchan]

Lethal injection is not about a barbiturate overdose, barbiturates is used to supposedly make the prisoner go unconsciouss (again not checked at all, not performed by trained personel), what actually kills is the muscle relaxant.



This is certainly not true from true Kosher meat, it would result in lower meat quality if the animal suffered during slaughter. There are plenty of studies on meat quality and Kosher and none really find any difference between method of slaughter.

Cortisol level increase in animals have more to do with how animals are treated before slaughter, and i would say its the same for prisoners, far more fear before you are actually killed than during killing.

Rod, just stop. You're embarassing yourself.

 

[Banchan]

Really? so lets take the word of XVIII people over the medical community?



Show them, here is one that says that execution method has no difference on meat quality.

http://ps.oxfordjournals.org/content/82/1/163.short

Notice how your study lacked any scientific measurement of plasma levels of glucocorticoids, catecholamines, prolactin and endorphins as well as heart rate and brain levels of neurotransmitters? That's because the study has nothing to do with the animal's welfare or measurement of it's suffering during slaughter.

Honestly just stop.

 

[Kirku]

So bro-science and hearsay?

Really man? i have seen people pass out from low blood pressure, yet you are telling me you can go 20-30 seconds with 0/0 blood pressure and remain consciouss? troll

You're embarrassing yourself at this point.

 

[Kirku]

Rod, just stop. You're embarassing yourself.

Beat me to it.

 

[MicroBrew]

Oh hai, am I the last poster

 

[Rod1]

Notice how your study lacked any scientific measurement of plasma levels of glucocorticoids, catecholamines, prolactin and endorphins as well as heart rate and brain levels of neurotransmitters? That's because the study has nothing to do with the animal's welfare or measurement of it's suffering during slaughter.

Honestly just stop.

Then show me yours

 

[Rod1]

You're embarrassing yourself at this point.

Again 20-30 seconds consciusness with zero blood pressure in the brain? im the one embarassing myself?

 

[Starck]

Or you need to realize that all of the abductions occurred before the first beheading by IS.

Abductions and beheadings have happened in the Middle East long before ISIS was ever dreamed up.

 

[GhostZ06]

 

[HardHat420]

This is the first time I've seen this thread on the 2nd page.