John Oliver: No Big Issue of ANTIFA Assaulting 'White Nationlist' Protestors

It was only a few months ago that people were gunned down at a charity baseball game in the attempted assassination of a member of congress. Carried out by a far-left nutjob who no doubt thought he was shooting 'nazis' and therefore doing the right thing.

You've got be very careful about where you go with this although I don't expect the likes of John Oliver to care about that.
 
uppercutbus said:
SJW's and John Oliver mean Trump supporters, republicans, NRA members etc. when they say Nazi's.

Let's be honest.
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The attitude displayed by John Oliver and in this thread is basically people who support the use of violence against Trump voters but haven't got the balls to at least come out and say so directly. So instead they hide behind the coat tails of ANTIFA and use the small handfuls of actual Nazis as a smokescreen.
 
Overpressure said:
I didn't notice anything until there were people carrying swastikas marching in the street, so all that blather, I don't know what you're going on about. The Nazis I saw get called Nazis were Nazis.
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Lol.
Sure thing.
 
John Oliver is the same guy who dedicated an entire show to arrogantly and smugly sneering at Europeans and calling them idiots, morons, racists and bigots for having any concerns about Muslim migrants and refugees, or even daring to suggest that some of these people might be terrorists. Then just days later the Bataclan massacre happened, the worst atrocity committed in Western Europe since World War 2, carried out by Muslims who had come into to Europe hidden among the wave of migrants. And in the very next episode of his show he put on a few crocodile tears and then just went back to doing the same thing.

He's a complete and utter scumbag.
 
Overpressure said:
... With broad, unsupported assumptions?
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No. Certain groups within the left have taken to calling everything they disagree with nazis. Does literally Hitler not ring any bells?
Punching Nazis is ok.
Everyone I disagree with is a nazi
therefore punching anyone I disagree with is ok.
 
irish_thug said:
No. Certain groups within the left have taken to calling everything they disagree with nazis. .
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Speaking of assumptions, this.

Punching Nazis isn't okay. There are laws about assault.

But there's no moral equivalency between Nazis and those who protest them. I've said I don't support violence against them for speaking their idiotic beliefs, but I won't have sympathy for them when they get beaten. And I don't want to see them marching in the streets. We decided that shit in 1945.
 
Overpressure said:
... With broad, unsupported assumptions?
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Have you been living under a rock for the past year? ANTIFA do not limit their violence towards actual Nazis. Ordinary Trump supporters, free speech activists, sections of the media and pretty much anyone they disagree with falls under their bastardized, umbrella definition of 'Nazi' and make up the vast majority of their victims. A lot of the time it's just innocent bystanders getting assaulted by these black bloc thugs.
 
Overpressure said:
Speaking of assumptions, this.

Punching Nazis isn't okay. There are laws about assault.

But there's no moral equivalency between Nazis and those who protest them. I've said I don't support violence against them for speaking their idiotic beliefs, but I won't have sympathy for them when they get beaten. And I don't want to see them marching in the streets. We decided that shit in 1945.
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We decided in 1945 that we didn't want them marching on sovereign nations. The best disinfectant is sunlight. I've known people like this in the past. Toronto actually had a pretty significant white power movement in the 80's and 90's. They aren't usually the brightest people. If you want to show people how backwards this thought process is the best thing to do is to engage them verbally, openly. The more speech you suppress the more support you give the suppressed. Racists are made, they aren't born. However when you start branding anything that that isn't open boarders as being nazi's you end up pushing people to one side who would have not ended up there on their own.
 
irish_thug said:
We decided in 1945 that we didn't want them marching on sovereign nations. The best disinfectant is sunlight. I've known people like this in the past. Toronto actually had a pretty significant white power movement in the 80's and 90's. They aren't usually the brightest people. If you want to show people how backwards this thought process is the best thing to do is to engage them verbally, openly. The more speech you suppress the more support you give the suppressed. Racists are made, they aren't born. However when you start branding anything that that isn't open boarders as being nazi's you end up pushing people to one side who would have not ended up there on their own.
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Yup. But where they march, protesters will show up.
Has there ever been a Nazi march in the US with protesters anyone would call right, conservative?

I might be making an assumption of my own there but let's say it's rare.
In any case, those protests, minus the cases of violence, ARE the sunlight, the open venue for argument and counter argument.
And most of them are without violent incident, I'd guess.
 
Overpressure said:
Yup. But where they march, protesters will show up.
Has there ever been a Nazi march in the US with protesters anyone would call right, conservative?

I might be making an assumption of my own there but let's say it's rare.
In any case, those protests, minus the cases of violence, ARE the sunlight, the open venue for argument and counter argument.
And most of them are without violent incident, I'd guess.
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That's the thing though. We're hearing the argument that violence against them is ok, or not a big deal. Most of the people saying this on this board don't actually mean this (I think, based on my observations of them), it's merely an emotional response, which is normal. Once you dehumanize your opposition it becomes far easier to excuse violence against them. War time propaganda 101.
 
Jack Reacheround said:
I agree with him. This isn’t a free speech issue. The government allowed them to protest and even provided police for their protest. That is all freedom of speech guarantees and then some. It doesn’t mean that assholes won’t get beaten by other people. It’s an assault issue, not a first amendment issue.
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Excusing the assault makes it a first amendment issue.
 
irish_thug said:
That's the thing though. We're hearing the argument that violence against them is ok, or not a big deal. Most of the people saying this on this board don't actually mean this (I think, based on my observations of them), it's merely an emotional response, which is normal. Once you dehumanize your opposition it becomes far easier to excuse violence against them. War time propaganda 101.
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I'm pretty ambivalent about it honestly. I won't do it, because I'm nonviolent where possible which is pretty much 100% of the time. But philosophically... I won't shed a tear.
National Socialism had its time, its open forums for debate, its chance. It has decisively been shown the door of decent society.
But I think we understand each other.
 
Rational Poster said:
People have committed crimes on all sides, but the Nazis are obviously the biggest assholes and that needs to remain clear.
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Actual swastika flag waving nazis? I could see myself agreeing with that. Want's immigration laws enforced nazi? I do not
 
PastThePoint said:


Starts at 6:20 and ends around 7:30

Pretty effing disgraceful. This guy equates ANTIFA attacking protestors in Charlotsville (regardless of what kind) as "kicking Hitler in the balls with Crocs on" and this having no implication of one of the protestors running a car through the ANTIFA crowd. Pretty sure, if ANTIFA did not show up to start the fight with protestors, the tragedy could have been avoided.

I always wondered if the show has any real credibility, well, it never did clearly. Just leftist talking point regurgitation.
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I'm a pretty Conservative dude. Anyone who still wants to claim that there were a large number of Non-Neo Nazi protesters who were simple conservatives in Charlottesville needs to just stop. The Left's postion on it being ok to use violence on anyone you believe is a Nazi is absurd and obnoxious on every level, but clean your own house before you start telling others to clean theirs.

Pretty sure, if ANTIFA did not show up to start the fight with protestors, the tragedy could have been avoided.
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Oh. Ok. So racially and politically motivated attempted mass murder that lead to one actual murder is simply justified under those circumstances then. Got it, thanks for clearing all of that up.
 
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