Jordan Peterson on real time with Bill Maher

What a bogus line of questioning. JP handles himself very well, though.

He's quite good at simply answering questions, and rarely gets rustled, annoyed, or led where they want him to go. This is evidenced by the "So what you're saying" interview more than all others." I think everyone else on Earth would have gotten riled big time.
 
He's quite good at simply answering questions, and rarely gets rustled, annoyed, or led where they want him to go. This is evidenced by the "So what you're saying" interview more than all others." I think everyone else on Earth would have gotten riled big time.
The best part of JP for me is that he is a clearly a religious guy with right wing views but is completely respectful towards opposing views. We need more of that in the public sphere. He's also good at articulating the simple stuff (some people need it).

Overall I like the guy a lot but he does have some head scratching views, particularly around politics and Trump, but he seems like a genuine dude who is obviously very smart.

We need more smart right wingers!
 



I have been listening to Jordan Peterson for a while now and have really gained a lot intellectually by listening to him. I especially am fond of his putting into context evolutionary psychology and how that effects our behavior today. I think that topic is just fascinating.

Having said that his appearance on Bill Maher was maybe the worst I have ever seen from him. He WAY overstepped his knowledge of the woman with a child on the panel and gave unasked for and probably ill advised advice which he probably even saw as an error at the time. I was embarrassed for him.

On his dealings with the Trump presidency I was unable to follow his line of thinking at all. It sounded like he was saying that the people on the left ought to give Trump a pass because the country is divided and have they ever thought of what is going to happen to Trump supporters if Trump were impeached. He did mention similar problems coming from the right in the past but the whole framing of it seemed-- I dont know-- kind of like a snowflake asking for special treatment of one side. It was not horrible but just reflected the whole evening.

I now think that he is really not cut out for or ready for the spotlight and may be stepping outside of the arena in which he can be most effective. I think you have to be cut from a different cloth to be ready to have every sentence you ever say- even to a single person in an interview-- heard and interpreted by thousands and I am not sure that different cloth is of a higher quality either.
 
I have been listening to Jordan Peterson for a while now and have really gained a lot intellectually by listening to him. I especially am fond of his putting into context evolutionary psychology and how that effects our behavior today. I think that topic is just fascinating.

Having said that his appearance on Bill Maher was maybe the worst I have ever seen from him. He WAY overstepped his knowledge of the woman with a child on the panel and gave unasked for and probably ill advised advice which he probably even saw as an error at the time. I was embarrassed for him.

On his dealings with the Trump presidency I was unable to follow his line of thinking at all. It sounded like he was saying that the people on the left ought to give Trump a pass because the country is divided and have they ever thought of what is going to happen to Trump supporters if Trump were impeached. He did mention similar problems coming from the right in the past but the whole framing of it seemed-- I dont know-- kind of like a snowflake asking for special treatment of one side. It was not horrible but just reflected the whole evening.

I now think that he is really not cut out for or ready for the spotlight and may be stepping outside of the arena in which he can be most effective. I think you have to be cut from a different cloth to be ready to have every sentence you ever say- even to a single person in an interview-- heard and interpreted by thousands and I am not sure that different cloth is of a higher quality either.

It was definitely not Dr. Peterson's best showing. It also has to do with the format of Maher's show which is designed more for Maher's jokes and guests spewing rapid talking points for mindless applause from the audience than a thought-provoking discussion. Dr. Peterson is used to lecturing for 90 minutes or longer given that he has spent most of his career as a university professor. He is not very good at speaking on television shows where you need to be quick witted and precise.
 
It was definitely not Dr. Peterson's best showing. It also has to do with the format of Maher's show which is designed more for Maher's jokes and guests spewing rapid talking points for mindless applause from the audience than a thought-provoking discussion. Dr. Peterson is used to lecturing for 90 minutes or longer given that he has spent most of his career as a university professor. He is not very good at speaking on television shows where you need to be quick witted and precise.
He does well on podcasts too, for the same reasons you mention.
 
He does well on podcasts too, for the same reasons you mention.

It would be interesting to see how well some of the clever television personalities would do on a 3 hour podcast. Peterson's style is definitely not made for television, but it takes a different kind of talent to be interesting and insightful for hours. Peterson was made for the podcast format.

It was Peterson that pointed out that young people are supposed to have short attention spans, but it is young people who are watching and listening to 2 to 3 hour discussions on the internet.
 
Liberal views are great.

The willingness to explore ideas. Relying on facts and science over feelings or dogma. The openness to others ideas and opinions along with the desire to debate said ideas and opinions in an effort to find the truth. Oh, and tolerance, not just for diverse appearances that only go skin deep but also for a diversity of thought. That one is pretty important as well.

All great liberal values.

In general, would you expect a person to be more open to 'diversity of thought' from someone who is liberal, or someone who leans conservative?
 
I love when people explain how they think Jordan Peterson is right on except for that one thing he said that offends them which makes him an idiot. Lmao.

No one can accept that maybe they hold some loony views themselves and that a rationally consistent person like Petersen can point out why they may be wrong on some things.
 
It would be interesting to see how well some of the clever television personalities would do on a 3 hour podcast. Peterson's style is definitely not made for television, but it takes a different kind of talent to be interesting and insightful for hours. Peterson was made for the podcast format.

It was Peterson that pointed out that young people are supposed to have short attention spans, but it is young people who are watching and listening to 2 to 3 hour discussions on the internet.
I suspect they'd be way out of their league depending on the topics and JP is smart/honest enough to know what areas are beyond his expertise (most of the time) and he wouldn't go down those paths. If they discuss Trump he can sound stupid, but if they discuss topics in his wheel house they're toast.

Most of television personalities would be terrible in a format like that, I think.
 
I watched his appearance on Bill Maher again. And I thought he did pretty good actually. Considering how short these discussions are and the amount of people involved in the discussion. He held his own very well imo.
 
When will people start to realize that education inherently lends itself to a more liberal view of the world?

I'm not denying that. I assume you've read the same pew research study as I have. I wish the study would have gone into more detail and compared the differences between those with degrees from social sciences (separate economics from the rest) and natural sciences.
 
In general, would you expect a person to be more open to 'diversity of thought' from someone who is liberal, or someone who leans conservative?
If you asked me that twenty years ago I would have answered liberal without hesitation. Now? People are becoming increasingly more polarized, so I don't know. Some liberals are so progressive that they're progressing into cult territory.
 
Having said that his appearance on Bill Maher was maybe the worst I have ever seen from him. He WAY overstepped his knowledge of the woman with a child on the panel and gave unasked for and probably ill advised advice which he probably even saw as an error at the time. I was embarrassed for him.

On his dealings with the Trump presidency I was unable to follow his line of thinking at all. It sounded like he was saying that the people on the left ought to give Trump a pass because the country is divided and have they ever thought of what is going to happen to Trump supporters if Trump were impeached. He did mention similar problems coming from the right in the past but the whole framing of it seemed-- I dont know-- kind of like a snowflake asking for special treatment of one side. It was not horrible but just reflected the whole evening.

I now think that he is really not cut out for or ready for the spotlight and may be stepping outside of the arena in which he can be most effective. I think you have to be cut from a different cloth to be ready to have every sentence you ever say- even to a single person in an interview-- heard and interpreted by thousands and I am not sure that different cloth is of a higher quality either.

I'll grant he was quite clumsy relative to how he usually conducts himself but I think a lot of it was an issue of it being the first time he was on a Maher type of show. Maher's always been one of the guys at the forefront of getting ideologically minded people incensed for comedy and Peterson seemed to be learning the ropes. His advice to Alex Wagner came after Wagner implied that Peterson was inept at child psychology; it seemed to be Peterson was simply trying to roll with the Maher concept, however inartfully, and make his case for how children need. Given the nature of psychologists in general the response made sense even if it wasn't the best one to have.

I have also noted that he may have inadvertently made it look as though he was applying double standards to MAGA Trumpists vs, say, modern intersectional progressives. That may have also been part of it being the first time on the type of show that more or less was designed to be obnoxious to some extent.
If you asked me that twenty years ago I would have answered liberal without hesitation. Now? People are becoming increasingly more polarized, so I don't know. Some liberals are so progressive that they're progressing into cult territory.
Honestly, 20 years ago liberals for the most part genuinely were well ahead of their right wing counterparts on this. Back then, the religious right was pretty much at its worst, moving towards its iron fisted, albeit temporary, control of the American political and social scene, with its influence in getting Bush elected and reelected to be the climax. It's sort of a massive psychological phenomenon as to waht let such influential portions of them to act as though they're trying to contend with the religious right for biggest suppressor of ideas they don't enjoy.
 
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In general, would you expect a person to be more open to 'diversity of thought' from someone who is liberal, or someone who leans conservative?
From experience as someone who has lived in liberal NYC, conservative rural Ohio, conservative rural India, and traveled to liberal places in Europe and super conservative places like Kuwait: It really depends on the person. A person's personality seems to be a bigger determining factor than their political stance. Many conservatives I met have put aside their beliefs in order to be more welcoming of other groups, while other conservatives literally want the other side dead. And many liberals I know have had discussions with Trump supporters, while other liberals I know literally want the other side dead also. I can provide examples if you want.
 
From experience as someone who has lived in liberal NYC, conservative rural Ohio, conservative rural India, and traveled to liberal places in Europe and super conservative places like Kuwait: I.
It seems your experiences gel with the idea that the political left vs right axis is wholly separate from the tolerant, inquisitive vs authoritarian, narcissist spectrum. They're two separate axis crossing each other in standard Cartesian coordinate forum. And so it can be so difficult to wrap one's head around the idea that progressive NYC and the traditional, rural Midwest can both have residents who recognize other worldviews, faiths and political views as coming from valid origins and others who are obscenely fragile when it comes to hearing much of anything that doesn't make them feel comfortable.
 
It seems your experiences gel with the idea that the political left vs right axis is wholly separate from the tolerant, inquisitive vs authoritarian, narcissist spectrum. They're two separate axis crossing each other in standard Cartesian coordinate forum. And so it can be so difficult to wrap one's head around the idea that progressive NYC and the traditional, rural Midwest can both have residents who recognize other worldviews, faiths and political views as coming from valid origins and others who are obscenely fragile when it comes to hearing much of anything that doesn't make them feel comfortable.
Yep. This is why I love the Political Compass, which has both an economic axis (capitalism to socialism) and authoritarian axis (authoritarianism to libertarianism). The difference between the authoritarian left (SJWs) and libertarian left (classical liberals) is as big as the difference between SJWs and authoritarian conservatives using the Political Compass.
 
If you asked me that twenty years ago I would have answered liberal without hesitation. Now? People are becoming increasingly more polarized, so I don't know. Some liberals are so progressive that they're progressing into cult territory.

Some, yes, but I think the information age, utilized to great extent by the media, seeks to exaggerate some of the more extreme positions out there, both left and right. This obviously skews how people view norms.

The media is, after all, a capitalistic endeavor, and outrage sells.
 
From experience as someone who has lived in liberal NYC, conservative rural Ohio, conservative rural India, and traveled to liberal places in Europe and super conservative places like Kuwait: It really depends on the person. A person's personality seems to be a bigger determining factor than their political stance. Many conservatives I met have put aside their beliefs in order to be more welcoming of other groups, while other conservatives literally want the other side dead. And many liberals I know have had discussions with Trump supporters, while other liberals I know literally want the other side dead also. I can provide examples if you want.

Agree. I think the media seeks to polarize because it helps their bottom line.

If you talk to people face to face, in general I don't think we are as divided as we are told.
 
Agree. I think the media seeks to polarize because it helps their bottom line.

If you talk to people face to face, in general I don't think we are as divided as we are told.
Partly agreed. I do have to say from experience that America is more divided than I've ever seen it (born 1994) and that most people hide their true political beliefs. Most of the people who want the other side dead will never say it in person and many times won't even say it online, at least in America. In other countries, such as India, people will openly talk about wanting Pakistanis dead. People hiding their true beliefs can often give the illusion that we aren't that divided.
 
I'm on the fence about this guy. I think he's intelligent enough and educated enough to be able to make or hide any deep unsettling prejudices he might or might not have. He's just sufficiently non-committal in his statements to not be easy to put as an outright bigot. To me, everything I've heard from him sounds super sensible. And that's where you have to tread lightly - people who seem perfectly agreeable but somehow cause a ton of controversy...

As of right now I'm cool with his stuff, but who knows, he could yet turn out to be a total degenerate.
 
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