Judo one of the most common MMA bases in the world.

No one can seriously claim that the best of the best right now are doing anything other than getting their grappling degree with a major in wrestling with a minor in bjj.
 
BJJ_Rage said:
Ju jutsu =Japanese jiu jitsu...
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Like I said, there was no one style called Japanese Jiu jitsu. Only many different types of unrealistically trained Ju Jutsu styles.
Kano distilled diffetent techniques from the many styles of JuJutsu into an effective method and training regime and called it Judo (or sometimes called 'Kano Jujitsu' but Kano prefered the term Judo)
His student Maeda taught Carlos Gracie Judo/Kano Jujitsu.

BJJ can also be called rightly 'Brazilian Judo' as this is the lineage.
 
TheMaster said:
Like I said, there was no one style called Japanese Jiu jitsu. Only many different types of unrealistically trained Ju Jutsu styles.
Kano distilled diffetent techniques from the many styles of JuJutsu into an effective method and training regime and called it Judo (or sometimes called 'Kano Jujitsu' but Kano prefered the term Judo)
His student Maeda taught Carlos Gracie Judo/Kano Jujitsu.

BJJ can also be called rightly 'Brazilian Judo' as this is the lineage.
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You don’t need to teach me a grappling history, in quite aware... I’m just saying. If Mma is judo, the actually Mma is jjj, or better said, pancreation or whatever comes prior to that.. truth is, judokas are judokas wrestlers are wrestlers Mma fighters in majority are hybrids from striking/wrestling/Bjj

And fedor is the goat, can beater...
 
DatCutman said:
No one can seriously claim that the best of the best right now are doing anything other than getting their grappling degree with a major in wrestling with a minor in bjj.
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Khabib
 
BJJ_Rage said:
You don’t need to teach me a grappling history, in quite aware... I’m just saying. If Mma is judo, the actually Mma is jjj, or better said, pancreation or whatever comes prior to that.. truth is, judokas are judokas wrestlers are wrestlers Mma fighters in majority are hybrids from striking/wrestling/Bjj

And fedor is the goat, can beater...
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Not really. Why go back that far, Kano is the one who made it into the sport in the modern era that we can directly trace and directly led to the sport we have now so credit to him.

And why do you call Noguera a can?
 
TheMaster said:
Not really. Why go back that far, Kano is the one who made it unto the sport in the modern era so credit to him.

And why do you call Noguera a can?
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He had good wins, but is the goat can beater for the amount t of cans he padded his record with...
 
TheMaster said:
Khabib
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Who wrestled, and wrestled in the highest density of wrestling talent per person area in the world. He trained some judo, but was forced into it by his dad. Kbob didnt like the jacket. Watching khabib, he looks like, you guessed it, a wrestler. Judo isn't some kind of irreversible taint that you cant escape, where if you've worn the jacket once you've contracted some sort of grappling herpes.

Real talk. Do you actually train?
 
TheMaster said:
Judo is MMA. End.
Without Judo, there is no 'mma'.

Sub branches of Kodokan Judo:
Modern Judo
BJJ
Sambo

Kano is the guy who introduced the idea of removing dangerous strikes and training full out within a limited rule set, which is the basis of modern mma training.

The GOAT of MMA is a Judo guy.
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Yes it needs adapting no gi.
If you do no gi Judo it is a fine alternative to wrestling for MMA with many obvious advantages also.
Dont agree about 'Japanese Judo is soft and for the Japanese'. It is biomechanics and leverage. Do it as efficiently as possible then add power on top.
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So are you going to deny that Russian Judo is not quite different than Japanese Judo?
 
migeru29 said:
Please start using abstract thinking, don't take everything literally. But yeah Japanese is really "soft" in contrast to Russian Judo which use a lot more strength, every Judoka know this.
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Every Judoka as in you?
 
DatCutman said:
Who wrestled, and wrestled in the highest density of wrestling talent per person area in the world. He trained some judo, but was forced into it by his dad. Kbob didnt like the jacket. Watching khabib, he looks like, you guessed it, a wrestler. Judo isn't some kind of irreversible taint that you cant escape, where if you've worn the jacket once you've contracted some sort of grappling herpes.

Real talk. Do you actually train?
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So where is the minor in BJJ?
Sambo is a Judo/wrestling hybrid so not just 'wrestling'.

There are many other examples also. Heres another Judo guy:
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DatCutman said:
Who wrestled, and wrestled in the highest density of wrestling talent per person area in the world. He trained some judo, but was forced into it by his dad. Kbob didnt like the jacket. Watching khabib, he looks like, you guessed it, a wrestler. Judo isn't some kind of irreversible taint that you cant escape, where if you've worn the jacket once you've contracted some sort of grappling herpes.

Real talk. Do you actually train?
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People who fail to see that Khabib is not using pure wrestling don't understand shit about grappling in general.
 
migeru29 said:
People who fail to see that Khabib is not using pure wrestling don't understand shit about grappling in general.
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Are you asserting his mma success is from judo? Just want to make sure we're on the same page.
 
DatCutman said:
Are you asserting his mma success is from judo? Just want to make sure we're on the same page.
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His success come from Khabib himself. In other words, many fighters have quite his same grappling experience and knowledge but will never achieve what he achieved. Now his base is grappling if you want to call it that way, but not pure wrestling even less American freestyle wrestling as many like to think. His father has a nice little grappling gym in Dagestan and they not only teach wrestling, but Judo and Sambo as well. His wrestling lessons are completely different than traditional wrestling, just go and watch some old Khabib training videos or recent "the dagestan chronicles" will show some of his father lessons in the gym and right away you should be able to recognize that what they are doing is a different kind of wrestling, they do quite a lot of clinch throws using hips and/or sweeps. That's not what you average American wrestling school teach.

Khabib once said that the american camps are way more advance than Dagestan; but that the grappling technical aspects he believe are better in Dagestan.
 
TheMaster said:
So where is the minor in BJJ?
Sambo is a Judo/wrestling hybrid so not just 'wrestling'.

There are many other examples also. Heres another Judo guy:
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Totally forgot about Gerard's Judo background. People seem to focus on Judo champs or Judo Olympians but not simply on great fighters with a Judo base. e.g. Whenever an MMA fighter becomes champ everyone start talking about this wrestling background, even when they weren't nobody relevant in the sport of wrestling. When a great fighter has Judo background nobody cares.
Do you have a list of fighters with Judo background? Thanks.
 
Judo is literally horrible without wrestling or sambo. But if you add judo to these things it’s just an extra advantage you have in the grappling department
 
biscuitsbrah said:
Judo is literally horrible without wrestling or sambo. But if you add judo to these things it’s just an extra advantage you have in the grappling department
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your face is literally horrible without your mouth closed.
 
i don't think judo has nearly as much worldwide participation as judo people would like to say
 
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