I'm not trying to argue per se, I'm simply trying to fish out more information. Their explanations AT FIRST seemed more about how strong they were about their opinions, but I felt like I still wanted a more technical, or at least more elaborated, explanation. (Like your somersault uppercut analogy) Which I was able to get a bit more of from them, and thanked them for their time.So you say you want a explanation - yet you argue with two BJJ black belts who tell you that its a bad idea.
Why did you post? You obviously think, in your admittedly limited grappling experience, that it is a good technique. You've had much more experienced people tell you that its not. If you just want to read what you wrote- start a word document.
But with the hope that maybe you will stop arguing, I'll try my hand at is as well.
Yes its dangerous. Next.
No, its not an effective technique, in grappling or as a martial arts technique. If someone jumps guard on me I'm letting them fall, hard. Every time. We don't do it in my gym. And just because you can find one situation where a technique maybe works, that doesn't make it effective or worthwhile. Better grapplers than you have discounted it not because it will never, ever work- but because there are many far superior options you should be utilizing.
Let's put it this way. I'm training MMA. I know a rolling somersault back twisting inverted uppercut technique. Sure I get knocked out 99 times of 100 using it- but because, by your logic, I can't exhaust every scenario where it is sub optimal, I can't discount it. Or ---- OR--- I can follow the lead of every professional fighter and boxer out there and learn to throw jabs and crosses.
Dude- your arguing for the rolling somersault back twisting inverted uppercut technique. AKA Full retard. Never go full retard.
Why did I post? Well I ended up reading a lot of things online that said you should "never-ever" do it, and I'm like "never-EVER?! It doesn't seem that all unreasonable" And I've been absorbing a lot of the information given to me from this thread, and I'm coming more to the conclusion that it IS mostly suboptimal, as compared to my thoughts at it at the time of first making this post.
And your "try" on this is very well put. my only thing is that you're analogy isn't EXACTLY what I'm trying say. I'm not saying "If it has a 1/100 chance of working" But more something like "If it's a tuesday, and I'm wearing blue underwear, and my opponent is half Scandinavian and 2/5 Australlian... Then this technique may have a decent chance of working". Although, thinking about it, your analogy is still to the same effect. If the somersault uppercut is only gonna be optimal in .1% of possible scenarios, then why worry about doing it?
I'm really NOT trying to be so stubborn about this. I just feel like a lot of the responses AT FIRST have been more people telling me that I'm stupid, rather than the more elaborated explanation I'm looking for. So I go "Well, I think this" HOPING to get a more detailed explanation why I'm wrong. (just look at the history of my replies in this thread) I don't doubt their experience, I just prefer elaboration rather than taking people's word for it. but I guess I shouldn't be surprised if that warrants people to come down more harsh on me.
In any case, I thank you for your input on this!