Just watched Ex Machina

JSN said:
I knew this would happen when they legalized gay marriage.
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I swear to god i thought that too. When they legalized gay marriage it opened up the flood gates to marry anything
 
Loiosh said:
It will do what it's been designed and programmed to do. It can be programmed so that the scope of the programming self corrects to give itself more options, but computer perception is extremely limited. The list of things that would have to have been programmed into the machines to turn them into murder bots killing to preserve themselves is staggering, they wouldn't learn to do it, they'd have to be taught.

And sure, men will fuck anything. So you think that was his fetish? Because that's what you're saying, and I don't believe it. I can see an emotional tie to an emerging intelligence but I don't buy the physical. He's seen the nuts and bolts. It would be like wanting to fuck a quadriplegic, which again, it a pretty specific fetish.

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It never talks about his fetish but you are not believing what the movie is telling you and i have already given you examples of it happening. Its very plausible
 
Katsumi Yamada said:
What exactly is a "pornography profile" anyways?
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Poe was the maker of a Google like search engine everyone uses. He took Hux's porn searches and designed Ava's look and personality based on that.

Hux didn't win the contest, he was selected because Poe knew everything about him through his internet searches and knew he'd be an easy target.
 
Loiosh said:
The entire purpose of Caleb's visit is to see if it can pass Touring, right? Or at least he thinks it is. He thinks he's there to see if it can pass for human.
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Well, Turing+ in this case. Nathan explains that he wants to see if Ava can convice Caleb of her humanity despite his awareness of her true nature.

But I'm not sure what that has to do with the fluidity of her cognition or desire for freedom.
 
Strange King said:
I swear to god i thought that too. When they legalized gay marriage it opened up the flood gates to marry anything
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I seen some guy in californeemarried his damned dog.
 
Strange King said:
It never talks about his fetish but you are not believing what the movie is telling you and i have already given you examples of it happening. Its very plausible
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I think its more Nathan saw he was your classic introverted moralist romatic and would fall for the vunerable robo girl locked up in the castle by the arrogant asshole in himself.

Again I think what gives the film some balls is that its not just a takedown of Nathan but also of Caleb who'se far closer in personality to most men likely to view such a film, pointing out his rescuing of her is rather a selfish fantasy.
 
Definitely one of the better movies i've watched of the last few years. Sure, I like my superhero flicks, but i'm left completely stunned by movies that make me think as much or leave me in a state of shock. Examples include: Voices, Moon, Inception, Prestige, and definitely Manchester by the Sea (couldn't get a hold of myself for 2 hours after the movie. Had to stop to compose myself mid movie - never felt so emotionally invested in the movie. EVER).
 
taurus said:
and definitely Manchester by the Sea (couldn't get a hold of myself for 2 hours after the movie. Had to stop to compose myself mid movie - never felt so emotionally invested in the movie. EVER).
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Great movie...
 
Loiosh said:
You have absolutely no idea how long I've been reading about and thinking about AI, or how many lectures I've seen on the subject. Science fiction is the last place you should look to understand how it works or fails to work. AI in science fiction is just magic, because the vast majority of people don't care at all about how it works. I'm not one of those people, are you?

It's probably worth mentioning that AI as a concept is constantly evolving. We used to call autopilot AI.

There are algorithms being generated that could potentially result in emergence, but not only is that insanely improbable, it would have to be intentional, and it still would be something like sparking goo in a petri dish and creating life.
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You haven't put nearly enough thought into this as you're suggesting.

For one you find it hard to believe a nerd would fall for an intelligent robot that looks like Alicia Vikander. Its 2018, we have men forming relationships with inanimate sex dolls, and you find this hard to believe. You're denying reality. Men would be lining up around the corner for a robot girlfriend if such a thing existed.

Secondly no, its not worth mentioning that we used to call autopilot AI because that is not what the film is referring to as AI. AI in the film is human level intelligence. I mean that's the whole point of the movie.

Are you really qualified to call human level intelligence "insanely improbable"? People much smarter than you or I have been discussing it for decades.
 
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blaseblah said:
You haven't put nearly enough thought into this as you're suggesting.

For one you find it hard to believe a nerd would fall for an intelligent robot that looks like Alicia Vikander. Its 2018, we have men forming relationships with inanimate sex dolls, and you find this hard to believe. You're denying reality. Men would be lining up around the corner for a robot girlfriend if such a thing existed.
Secondly no, its not worth mentioning that we used to call autopilot AI because that is not what the film is referring to as AI. AI in the film is human level intelligence. I mean that's the whole point of the movie.

Are you really qualified to call human level intelligence "insanely improbable"? People much smarter than you or I have been discussing it for decades.
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Not to mention that an AI wouldnt have to be conscious or hit a singularity to fulfill its goals and be independent in its own actions. We barely understand consciousness in humans. I think some people are looking at it all wrong it thinking that AI would have to have human level "inteliigence" in order to act outside its programming. They already have AI that are doing things outside the box in playing games and maximizing points and we dont really understand how or why it is doing the moves it is making. I guess what Im Saying is , if a robot acted human and appeared to make independent decisions, who cares or knows if it is conscious inside? A Turing test could be faked by a robot. For that matter, how can I prove the humans I interact with on a daily basis are independent thinkers and not controlled by an outside force? I cant prove it, but have to act on faith and logic and assume that the people I deal with on a daily basis are conscious inside their shell and not acting like it.
 
HunterAcosta said:
Not to mention that an AI wouldnt have to be conscious or hit a singularity to fulfill its goals and be independent in its own actions. We barely understand consciousness in humans. I think some people are looking at it all wrong it thinking that AI would have to have human level "inteliigence" in order to act outside its programming. They already have AI that are doing things outside the box in playing games and maximizing points and we dont really understand how or why it is doing the moves it is making. I guess what Im Saying is , if a robot acted human and appeared to make independent decisions, who cares or knows if it is conscious inside? A Turing test could be faked by a robot. For that matter, how can I prove the humans I interact with on a daily basis are independent thinkers and not controlled by an outside force? I cant prove it, but have to act on faith and logic and assume that the people I deal with on a daily basis are conscious inside their shell and not acting like it.
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Exactly. We don't even understand most of the human brain at this point. There is a massive amount of knowledge we are lacking. Far too much to proclaim what is and isn't possible to accomplish in the future.
 
Ikuza said:
Yes. Good actors, great story, little bit of nudity.
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Also a middle ground between not being THAT challenging viewing but also not dumbing down for the viewer exposition wise ala Nolan.

Honestly I tend to think these days hard Sci fi is probably best off sticking in the sub $50 million budget range(arguably even sub $20 million), once the money starts to get serious too many demands end up being made.

Best sci fi films in recent years for me...

Arrival = $47 million

Source Code = $32 million

Her = $23 million

Ex Machina = $15 million

Under the Skin = $13 million

Moon = $5 million
 
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IloveTHIS said:
First time hearing of this movie but I see it has incredible ratings on imdb and RT.


Hmmm. Should I watch?
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Yes but only if you're in the mood for very sad and slowly paced movies (talking about Manchester by the sea)...
 
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