Khabib vs Danis in a jiu jitsu match?

[nefti]

Different sport. In sambo kabib, in mma kabib, in an adcc ruleset... dillon douchebag

 

[vcmmafan]

I mean yeah Danis might win with more artificial rules added to the fight. But the closer it gets to a real fight (MMA) his chances get dramatically lower. Almost non existent.

Danis LITERALLY would be a bloody pulp in a fight....so whatever moral victory he'd get for winning in a restrictive ruleset like BJJ doesn't mean too much in the bigger picture of martial arts

 

[BJJ_Rage]

I mean yeah Danis might win with more artificial rules added to the fight. But the closer it gets to a real fight (MMA) his chances get dramatically lower. Almost non existent.

Danis LITERALLY would be a bloody pulp in a fight....so whatever moral victory he'd get for winning in a restrictive ruleset like BJJ doesn't mean too much in the bigger picture of martial arts

Well this question is about a grappling match not a fight...

 

[mataleaos]

I remember in one of the Embedded shows Danis said "Im basically Khabib but bigger...." or something to that effect. He even pointed to the fact that he has the wrestling to duplicate Khabib's style. I would disagree. Wasn't Danis like a decent at best High School wrestler? Never qualified for State, didn't wrestle his whole time in school?

Honestly though if you watch this highlight he does do some of the same techniques as khabib. Besides being more front headlock oriented I’ve always thought they’ve had a similar takedown and top game style. Danis’ game looked more “ wrestley “ than many of his contemporaries at the time. He chains a lot of high-crotches, body locks, and low and high singles. Also most of his sweeps are based on getting an underhook and finishing up on singles or knee taps.

Obviously khabib is much better at takedowns but you’ll probably be surprised watching this.

 

[FightGuyOpenMind]

Danis

 

[dsdoubled]

Honestly though if you watch this highlight he does do some of the same techniques as khabib. Besides being more front headlock oriented I’ve always thought they’ve had a similar takedown and top game style. Danis’ game looked more “ wrestley “ than many of his contemporaries at the time. He chains a lot of high-crotches, body locks, and low and high singles. Also most of his sweeps are based on getting an underhook and finishing up on singles or knee taps.

Obviously khabib is much better at takedowns but you’ll probably be surprised watching this.

I appreciate you taking the time to post that video and making your point. But to be totally honest I don't see many similarities between Khabib's TD game and Danis's TD game in the video. Khabib executes in a much more powerful fashion, has way better drive, and finishes more cleanly. I also didn't notice too much upperbody stuff which we know Khabib is great at. I did see that Danis is great at snatching up dominant position and sub attempts in all kinds of scrambles, exchanges, and positions, but I don't think that was ever in question. I'd really like to see what kind of TD and grappling game Danis uses in a few more MMA fights. Especially against a Khabib type fighter.

 

[Ishaq]

I appreciate you taking the time to post that video and making your point. But to be totally honest I don't see many similarities between Khabib's TD game and Danis's TD game in the video. Khabib executes in a much more powerful fashion, has way better drive, and finishes more cleanly. I also didn't notice too much upperbody stuff which we know Khabib is great at. I did see that Danis is great at snatching up dominant position and sub attempts in all kinds of scrambles, exchanges, and positions, but I don't think that was ever in question. I'd really like to see what kind of TD and grappling game Danis uses in a few more MMA fights. Especially against a Khabib type fighter.

Danis takedown game is not very strong in MMA. But he doesn't seem to mind pulling guard. As far as a pure grappling finish only match is concerned, Danis wins by landslide.

If it's a point match, Khabib will probably win on a takedown but on the ground I don't see Khabib offering much resistance to a specialist.

 

[Quebec Nick]

Danis takedown game is not very strong in MMA. But he doesn't seem to mind pulling guard. As far as a pure grappling finish only match is concerned, Danis wins by landslide.

If it's a point match, Khabib will probably win on a takedown but on the ground I don't see Khabib offering much resistance to a specialist.

I just saw some highlights (BJJ and MMA) and I wouldn't say that he really pulls guard. He sort of sacrifice pull guard, meaning that he tries to sweep directly from the pull guard by taking dominant grips and breaking the posture. It's not as if he just takes a weak grip and get on his back trying to play guard.

Guard pulling in MMA was embodied by the great illusion of Eddie Bravo, trying to convince us that you can control someone that can punch by only controlling the upper body and being able to do a submission from your back.

Creating scrambles and leg lock entries is not the same kind of guard pulling IMO. There's still a ton of new stuff that need to be tried in MMA and I think that pulling guard, sacrifice throws and attacking the legs are still to be explored, guys like Tonon, Danis and maybe Gordon Ryan will demonstrate it one day.

Grappling for MMA is more than just pushing into the cage, managing a takedown and ground and pound from top half guard.

 

[dsdoubled]

Danis takedown game is not very strong in MMA. But he doesn't seem to mind pulling guard. As far as a pure grappling finish only match is concerned, Danis wins by landslide.

If it's a point match, Khabib will probably win on a takedown but on the ground I don't see Khabib offering much resistance to a specialist.

I can't argue too hard against that, since conventional wisdom says one of the world's top submission guys would beat khabib in a submission match. However, khabib has such a vast background in the grappling arts and these MMA guys are so good at combat in its purest form I seem to recall quite a few times an MMA fighter went up against a Grappler or kickboxer in a specific arena and doing well. Overeem in K1, Chad Mendes submitting Jeff Glover, Barnett submitting Lister, etc. Obviously there are other factors to consider in those instances and Danis is currently at the top of his game in grappling so I know it's not a perfect comparison but I could see khabib beating Danis in a submission match. Though I know he would be a sizable Underdog.

 

[mataleaos]

I can't argue too hard against that, since conventional wisdom says one of the world's top submission guys would beat khabib in a submission match. However, khabib has such a vast background in the grappling arts and these MMA guys are so good at combat in its purest form I seem to recall quite a few times an MMA fighter went up against a Grappler or kickboxer in a specific arena and doing well. Overeem in K1, Chad Mendes submitting Jeff Glover, Barnett submitting Lister, etc. Obviously there are other factors to consider in those instances and Danis is currently at the top of his game in grappling so I know it's not a perfect comparison but I could see khabib beating Danis in a submission match. Though I know he would be a sizable Underdog.

Good post but I’d just add that there were some crazy circumstances in the Glover Chad Mendes match during the Ebi overtime section. Mendes was never anywhere close to a submission on Glover during regulation. Glover RNC’d Mendes in OT but just a couple seconds slower.

But good post no doubt.

 

[dsdoubled]

Good post but I’d just add that there were some crazy circumstances in the Glover Chad Mendes match during the Ebi overtime section. Mendes was never anywhere close to a submission on Glover during regulation. Glover RNC’d Mendes in OT but just a couple seconds slower.

But good post no doubt.

I was actually unaware of that. Good call. The reason I mentioned that match was because on another site when that match was announced I predicted that Mendes would win and everybody said I was crazy. Then when the results came out I was like "holy s*** it actually happened"
but I hadn't actually seen the match.

 

[Human Bass]

Khabib has never been a pure sambo grappler, his father always seemed to support mixing every grappling style with an emphasis on top pressure and grinding.Sport Sambo is very fun to watch, but doesn't allow that much ground game. Now Combat Sambo is a different story. Khabib isn't much of a sub artist but amazing at pressure and positions. I give him a chance on points.