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yet i got people wanting to "punch me in the mouth". lol. people get so delusional and emotional over animals.
Would an ailing Koko(let’s say 10 days before death) be able to take on 10 bodybuilders cage match style?
Anyone that has had a pet knows they can understand language. I don't know why this is even debatable. No one is reaching and saying an ape or a dog is going to finish the last book of Game of Thrones.
If the ape wanted a banana, it signed that it wanted a banana. It knew the sign for "I would like a banana." How deep the understanding was can be questioned, and it was not human level, but we probably started the same way. I imagine our language developed through telling story-lies. The females liked this advancement, and bred with those telling them. A million years later, here we are..
You guy are conflating communication with language but they are not the same thing. Language is a sophisticated form of communication but not all communication is language. When you play charades you try to communicate an idea to your partner but that doesn't mean you're using language, in fact that's why its challenging.It’s all part of language/communication. So is every day body language. How do you not see this?
Its unscientific nonsense that has only spread because its a touching story people want to believe and the media perpetuates it. In and of itself its not that harmful but still a little annoying when you know the truthJesus Christ dude are you having one of your "bad days" or what? What a weird thing to get bent out of shape over. Go take a long walk through the woods or something.
You guy are conflating communication with language but they are not the same thing. Language is a sophisticated form of communication but not all communication is language. When you play charades you try to communicate an idea to your partner but that doesn't mean you're using language, in fact that's why its challenging.
Imagine if I could say English words but could not put them into a sentence. If I wanted water I would say "water" and then point to myself. Or if I didn't like something I would point to it and say "bad!" "no like!". Clearly I am speaking English words but am I speaking English?
@JonesBones is 100% right, ape sign language research is mostly bullshit and Koko and her handler are the worst offenders.
Its unscientific nonsense that has only spread because its a touching story people want to believe and the media perpetuates it. In and of itself its not that harmful but still a little annoying when you know the truth
I think the ape probably learned some basic sign language. The whole thing obviously wasn't a farse. It was using signs to represent things.. The understanding wasn't exactly The same as ours, but yeah.. Weird thread.
I am glad you made this thread, ever since Koko has died it has sort of irked me that everyone claims she knew sign language. Call it something else like sign communication but don't call it language because its not.You know, I watched a documentary on another chimp who supposedly learned sign language. Throughout the whole documentary the story line was pushing that narrative. But at the end the scientist had an epiphany. He was watching the chimp one day and it dawned on him. This chimp was nothing more than a "brilliant beggar" as he put it. I loved that honesty. He was objectively examining it till the end and came to the truth.
I am glad you made this thread, ever since Koko has died it has sort of irked me that everyone claims she knew sign language. Call it something else like sign communication but don't call it language because its not.
No big deal man, you seem like a decent enough dude. You do go into "angry mode" from time to time and you seem to be kind of stuck there lately. Best wishes bro, it's all good.yet i got people wanting to "punch me in the mouth". lol. people get so delusional and emotional over animals.
Sure calling it "sign language" is incorrect, I've always seen it as more of a system of meaningful gestures. It just seems more like an appropriate situation for a gentle rebuke than an condescending rant, I just don't get why it would irritate anyone so much. Call it whatever you want, I think it's pretty f'n cool that an ape could communicate like that. In an age where emojis pass for language and so many people who post on the internet can't put together a coherent paragraph I think the ape did pretty good.Its unscientific nonsense that has only spread because its a touching story people want to believe and the media perpetuates it. In and of itself its not that harmful but still a little annoying when you know the truth
No big deal man, you seem like a decent enough dude. You do go into "angry mode" from time to time and you seem to be kind of stuck there lately. Best wishes bro, it's all good.
Sure calling it "sign language" is incorrect, I've always seen it as more of a system of meaningful gestures. It just seems more like an appropriate situation for a gentle rebuke than an condescending rant, I just don't get why it would irritate anyone so much. Call it whatever you want, I think it's pretty f'n cool that an ape could communicate like that. In an age where emojis pass for language and so many people who post on the internet can't put together a coherent paragraph I think the ape did pretty good.
Actually the apes do rather poorly, often their "signs" have to be interpreted by their handlers who merely project what they think they see onto the ape. But yeah, @JonesBones gets fired up over the strangest things like apes and stocks.No big deal man, you seem like a decent enough dude. You do go into "angry mode" from time to time and you seem to be kind of stuck there lately. Best wishes bro, it's all good.
Sure calling it "sign language" is incorrect, I've always seen it as more of a system of meaningful gestures. It just seems more like an appropriate situation for a gentle rebuke than an condescending rant, I just don't get why it would irritate anyone so much. Call it whatever you want, I think it's pretty f'n cool that an ape could communicate like that. In an age where emojis pass for language and so many people who post on the internet can't put together a coherent paragraph I think the ape did pretty good.
Feel pretty strongly about this, huh?
Do you know how irritated George Carlin gets just listening to airplane pilot calling himself a captain and pulling rank on him? lol. That is what comedy is made of. We hate people who try to be important.
Yeah I'm definitely with you on that. Reminds me of the prank call where the dude calls a car dealership and insists on being addressed as "el Conquistador". Check it out if you haven't heard it.