Left's identity politics was created and pushed to = tax breaks for wealthy

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It's funny when you hear it; that "Russia" interfered with our elections by posting pro identity politics BLM stuff.. Our news must have had a rough time reporting that. You know who else pushed the election a certain way with multiple articles about that crap????

This trans crap, this anti-man/majority crap, and the whole of identity politics crap, it was thee only way to make democrats lose. Now, Trump, while campaigning, appeared to not be the R that establishment Rs wanted.. And he also had the nerve to post ads indicating he was "anti-establishment;" maybe he was, and when he got in he realized he had to serve the masters as well, idk. Maybe he isn't very bright, and he does not realize a major change to taxes while the economy is doing pretty well likely i
sn't really needed; maybe establishment Republican economic stupidity simply has to infect people that associate with that tribe long enough. I'm not sure of the motive, or anything else surrounding Trump's more establishment shift. I do know if these tax cuts don't lead to a growth in vital production industries, then they aren't what he was voted in to do.

Anyways, with democrats as a true equal rights party (not a victim status extra rights party) and without the drastic left turn, combined with the abandonment of the working class that was their base, they could not have lost the last election. The money had to turn liberalism really, really far left in order to ensure more massive SHORT TERM profits to throw on their pile.

So it's either this: the left naturally destroyed what it should be because of runaway group-think and natural ideology progression that comes from a lack of moral base; OR, the quickest way the dems could start losing was pushed by the bosses of the American political system; and of course that is the big money that has thrived on short term gain at everybody else's expense for some decades now.

Outside entities influencing our election with B.S. articles about identity politics indeed.

Are any of you lefties------especially the straight white male lefties who are advocating for the promotion to the top of others in society who do not seem to understand the concept of equal rights, at this time, at the expense of the rights of a particular group, themselves-----ready to start speaking up to fix the party that after Bush should not have lost for quite a while? Maybe make it the party of common sense equal rights, and the American worker again? If not, you rightfully (no pun) should lose.


Real moral of story? We desperately need more political parties. We need a strong Independant party. We need a party (or 3) that force us away from identity politics and have a mix of pro-american economy, and pro-worker economics. There has never, ever been a better time to be an Independant.
 
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Its fun to see right wing monkeys complain about identity politics when they are the ones who started it all. Centuries of racist whites dividing people and treating groups poorly because of their identity (their race, their sex, their orientation).

Inb4 "B-b-but that doesn't c-count!"
 
You can pull others down to your own perceived level
You can raise yourself up to their perceived level
You can raise yourself up while pulling them down to meet in an enforced and artificial level of equality.

Only one leads to excellence, but all three are personal choices.
 
Are any of you lefties------especially the straight white male lefties who are advocating for the promotion to the top of others in society who do not seem to understand the concept of equal rights, at this time, at the expense of the rights of a particular group, themselves-----ready to start speaking up to fix the party that after Bush should not have lost for quite a while?
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Its fun to see right wing monkeys complain about identity politics when they are the ones who started it all. Centuries of racist whites dividing people and treating groups poorly because of their identity (their race, their sex, their orientation).

Inb4 "B-b-but that doesn't c-count!"

So you admit identity politics are wrong, and make people feel like they are being treated unfairly? Good.

And who's a right-wing monkey?
 
Holy fucking projection.

How much time did Clinton and Sanders spend talking about identity issues? Barely fucking any.

Take responsibility for your shitty voting decisions hinging on being a bigot and being mobilized by phantoms of super scary equality.
 
The money had to turn liberalism really, really far left

The democratic party is neither far left economically (it's a slightly different flavor of neoliberal, ultimately still pro big-business and pro Wall Street), nor is it leftist in regards to foreign policy, where it's very pro military industrial complex. Calling it far-left is ludicrous.

So it's either this: the left naturally destroyed what it should be because of runaway group-think and natural ideology progression in the presence of lack of moral base

Bill Clinton turned the democratic party into a center-right party in order to beat Bush in 92'. Any attempt to move towards the left since then is usually reversed in a panic before the next election cycle, and Hillary is more right leaning then the average democrat at that, so I really don't understand why you think her candidacy indicated the democrats were trying to be far left. If they ran Bernie, then they would be moving towards the left.

So you admit identity politics are wrong, and make people feel like they are being treated unfairly? Good.

What did the democrats actually pass that has treated people unfairly?
 
Citizens United ruined the right and Union donations ruined the left. Add the Clinton foundation and the voting public just lost its appetite for establishment candidates.
There will always be the fucked up bigots like team tiki torch, and there will always be the far left. The 40% in the middle is what will always drive the elections. We don' need a third party we need moderates who don't fall for the "identity politics" and aren't so partisan they can vote on real issues. A two party system is supposed to have 2 sides of the argument liberal and progressive vs conservative, then when the middle can get on board with something only then it should get passed. That is not what we see today. A perfect example is this tax bill. No moderates on board and no democrats on board just push through what the donor class says. Hell the damn bill isn't even available to examine and republicans voted on it. Why?
Because their donors said they had to and if they don't they lose their donors and have no way to stay in office.
 
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we need moderates who don't fall for the "identity politics"

The idea of "moderates" are a fantasy when Dwight Eisenhower and Richard Nixon would be classified as left-leaning by today's political standards.
 
Its fun to see right wing monkeys complain about identity politics when they are the ones who started it all. Centuries of racist whites dividing people and treating groups poorly because of their identity (their race, their sex, their orientation).

Inb4 "B-b-but that doesn't c-count!"



That was the Democrats, actually.



Lincoln was a Republican, for example.
 
This sounds like an spoiled trophy wife claiming with croc tears that she was forced to cheat with the pool boy because the man is too busy working his ass off bringing the grands to the house so that she can enjoy their lavish mind-numbing trophy wife life.

You voted for a con-man man it up.
 
That was the Democrats, actually.



Lincoln was a Republican, for example.

Back then the Republicans were the party of the East Coast Elites and the democrats were a Southern Rural Party. Gee, do you think something could have changed in the 150 years since Lincoln?
 
The idea of "moderates" are a fantasy when Dwight Eisenhower and Richard Nixon would be classified as left-leaning by today's political standards.
I hear you, but you can call the middle what ever you want Republican or Democrat but the point being that we need a middle who doesn't support the partisan bs. A third party would be on the left or the right like the tea party and that won't work. We need to be able to have the 2 way discussion and only the things that are agreed on move forward.
That won't happen in todays landscape with the dems and republicans that are bought and paid for.
 
Its not a deflection, its a correction.



Trying to deflect the deflection, we're about to go full deflection inception here. WE MUST GO ANOTHER LEVEL DEEPER!


lol
 
Trying to deflect the deflection, we're about to go full deflection inception here. WE MUST GO ANOTHER LEVEL DEEPER!

lol

Deflection of a strawman? thats another level of logical fallacies.

Low IQ confirmed.
 
That won't happen in todays landscape with the dems and republicans that are bought and paid for.

I agree that the democrats and republicans are, by and large, bought and paid for, but I also hold the voters accountable. Too few voters bother looking at anything beyond the (D) or the (R) behind a candidate's name, let alone do actual research on the issues themselves. There are more resources than ever before, but if the voters don't utilize them, or can't tell the difference between a credible source and a partisan troll-job, then I don't see no fucking hope.
 
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