Likelihood: Trump loses in 2020, accepts the vote as legit, and cleanly transfers power?

[Lord Commander Palis]

lol you guys are so scared of Trump

 

[Bald1]

This is just as idiotic as when Ripskater thought Obama was going to demand a 3rd term. Neither guy has the support of the population, military, or any branch of the government for such a thing. Pure foolishness.

 

[SBJJ]

They thought he was going to retain power and call himself emporer Obama.. Like you think about Trump. Stop thinking only in the political abstract they have created for you; it's meant to dumb you down, and you obviously have brains buried under that mass of political bias that don't benefit from that process.

How. He doesn't even realize he's the same as the people who hated Obama.

 

[Seano]

I always assumed he would be a one termer.

 

[SBJJ]

This is just as idiotic as when Ripskater thought Obama was going to demand a 3rd term. Neither guy has the supporting of the population, military, or any branch of the government for such a thing. Pure foolishness.

Except Rip was easier to like

 

[My Spot]

lol
Y'all are acting just like ripskater did when he kept telling us how Obama would do something to stay in power.

 

[peytonlucy]

Given everything we've seen so far, if Trump loses a reelection bid, does he transfer power gracefully? I'd gamble on "no".

A totally ridiculous statement that will be demonstrated as such whenever and however Trump leaves office.

I remember dems saying that Reagan would start a nuclear war, typical alarmist hacks.

I also remember repubs claiming that Obama would go off the socialist ledge.

 

[IGIT]

This is just as idiotic as when Ripskater thought Obama was going to demand a 3rd term. Neither guy has the support of the population, military, or any branch of the government for such a thing. Pure foolishness.

hi and good to see you Bald1,

i kinda agree.

i think there will be some drama, and some "incidents" out of the White House, but nothing like actually resisting exiting office.

that's just hard to image.

its too strange.

- IGIT

 

[IGIT]

A totally ridiculous statement that will be demonstrated as such whenever and however Trump leaves office.

I remember dems saying that Reagan would start a nuclear war, typical alarmist hacks.

I also remember repubs claiming that Obama would go off the socialist ledge.

hello there Peytonlucy,

the OP asks if Mr. Trump would engage in graceful transfer of power, not whether he would summon CIA to engage in a plot to kill his rivals.

its plausible that a transfer of power under a President Trump would be ungraceful. the OP asks a reasonable question, don't you think?

- IGIT

 

[Trotsky]

No. Warren and Booker = No. The left is so deep in pandering to non-whites that they can't see that they politically need to pander to whites a little bit.

Whites are affected by macroeconomics to the same extent as nonwhites. Do you at least agree that voters should be expected to reasonably vote in line with their own interests instead of requiring racist rhetoric?

Also, if "pander to whites" necessitates calling undocumented immigrants murderers and rapists, misrepresenting administration of the refugee process, completely lying about statistics regarding undocumented immigrants, pretending that dead technologies of yesteryear are going to make profitable persons without abilities that are valuable in the current marketplace, and pretending that all Muslims are evil while turning a blind eye to millions of them suffering in hellholes of our country's design.....well, fuck, might as well pull the plug on this country right now.

While I agree that Democrats have lost their way in reestablishing their value to poor post-industrial white communities and communities formerly represented by labor unions, I don't think New Deal rhetoric, however valid it may be, will be enough to appease the "pander to whites" requests.

 

[Trotsky]

They thought he was going to retain power and call himself emporer Obama.. Like you think about Trump. Stop thinking only in the political abstract they have created for you; it's meant to dumb you down, and you obviously have brains buried under that mass of political bias that don't benefit from that process.

I still have enough faith in the political institutions of this country to not think that Trump will be able to retain his position and declare himself emperor.

But I also think you'd have to be insane, stupid, or dishonest not to realize that Trump is far, far, far, far, far, far, far, far, far more likely than Obama to try.

 

[Bald1]

hi and good to see you Bald1,

i kinda agree.

i think there will be some drama, and some "incidents" out of the White House, but nothing like actually resisting exiting office.

that's just hard to image.

its too strange.

- IGIT

Hey Igit, it's been a while..

Strangeness wouldn't surprise me. Attempting to scrap the democratic process? Not unless he has Kim Jong Un level approval ratings.

All that aside, I doubt I Trump will even try for a 2nd term.

 

[peytonlucy]

hello there Peytonlucy,

the OP asks if Mr. Trump would engage in graceful transfer of power, not whether he would summon CIA to engage in a plot to kill his rivals.

its plausible that a transfer of power under a President Trump would be ungraceful. the OP asks a reasonable question, don't you think?

- IGIT

Ungraceful, like Hillary's reaction to losing in 2016? Ok, I think he would pout. Is that ungraceful enough to be concerned?

 

[Trotsky]

lol
Y'all are acting just like ripskater did when he kept telling us how Obama would do something to stay in power.

How. He doesn't even realize he's the same as the people who hated Obama.

It's interesting how intelligent posters like panamaican have been able to appreciate the peculiarity of the current administration within an historical context and the apparently high possibility that one of many things (impeachment, choosing not to run for re-election, trying to challenge a loss, accepting a loss but impeaching it as suspect) could happen and are well within the realm of possibility.

...and you two are not.

The point is not that he will try, let alone be successful, to retain non-democratic power. The point is that it seems fairly likely that power will transfer under non-customary events. The most likely, if you were to look at my math, would be exactly what @IGIT said: that he will lose, bitch about the election results and cast aspersions, but will ultimately go the way of past presidents in transferring power peacefully.

 

[IGIT]

Ungraceful, like Hillary's reaction to losing in 2016? Ok, I think he would pout. Is that ungraceful enough to be concerned?

hi again, Peytonlucy,

this thread has nothing to do with Hillary Clinton, so, i'm not going to address that.

i think he'll pout and he'll articulate those pouts in tweets that we all will have been desensitized to by then.

- IGIT

 

[splendica]

Does the radical left accept his win? That's the question.

I think the right and Trump accept an L much more graciously and in respect for the voting process than Democrat supporters.

 

[MMAViewer]

If you were a betting person, what would you place the odds of Donald Trump running for reelection in 2020, losing the electoral college vote, and then publicly conceding and acknowledging the election as legitimate and untainted? This would produce a sequence of events akin to every other change in administration in US history, notwithstanding impeachment or assassination.

I figure it's (80% that he makes it through four years without impeachment) x (70% that he runs for reelection) x (75% that he loses the election) x (40% that he recognizes the election as legitimate) x (80% that he nevertheless yields to a transfer of power to the next administration).

.8 x .7 x .75 x .4 x .8, for a grand total of 13%

And, yes, this is a un-substantive, vapid Trump discussion.

Do you think if he makes it 4 years he will run unopposed for a second?
I believe he would lose his primary.

 

[peytonlucy]

If Warren runs she will represent two minority groups - feminists and the Cherokees.

 

[M3t4tr0n]

He will probably cry on Twitter "Election was rigged! Sad!" and some of his cult members will be all "muh deepstate!" but that's about it.

 

[Trotsky]

Do you think if he makes it 4 years he will run unopposed for a second?
I believe he would lose his primary.

I would not expect that to be likely at all. Like <5% unlikely.

I cannot imagine a GOP persons beating him with GOP voters. He already dominated that field something nasty in 2016, and his support hasn't withered all that much. The only quasi-feasible contender would be Romney, and I don't think his chances would be very good at all. The usual suspects (Cruz, Rubio, Paul Ryan) would get put through the wood chipper.