man arrested after threatening to commit mass murder at CNN -- UPDATE post #124

Kafir-kun said:
Like I said, eye witness testimony is very unreliable and prone to contamination and alteration after the fact in response to many different stimuli. If you ask a witness "did he have his hands up" that alone can implant the image of Brown with his hands up and then that account can influence the accounts of others and eventually they all have a fake memory in their heads. We often fill in the gaps of our memory unconsciously and a witness with a bad angle on the incident could've easily done that.

Combine this with the fact that the community had virtually no faith in the FPD because of the institutional racism present in that institution and the belief in hands up don't shoot can spread rapidly and sincerely.
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So this translates to it doesn't matter if it was a lie.
 
oldshadow said:
So this translates to it doesn't matter if it was a lie.
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Yes actually, that changes things significantly. If CNN is reporting on sincerely held claims by witnesses then they are doing their job as a news organization.
 
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...former-classmate-says/?utm_term=.e75b22d02d86

Michigan man accused of threatening to attack CNN identified with Hitler, former classmate says



The man who federal authorities say threatened to kill CNN employees had declared in high school that he identified with Adolf Hitler and suggested “the Holocaust was exaggerated,” according to a former classmate.

That description of Brandon Griesemer’s behavior in high school emerged after the FBI accused him of placing menacing phone calls to CNN, describing the news organization as “fake news” and vowing to carry out a massacre at its Atlanta offices. The FBI also said in court documents that Griesemer made “disparaging remarks regarding Jewish individuals” during one call and, months before threatening CNN, called a Michigan mosque and “made derogatory comments relating to the mosque and Muslims.”

The FBI’s depiction of the threats to CNN comes as President Trump wages a battle against the news outlet that began during his campaign, regularly labeling it and others he does not like as “fake news.” CNN has been among Trump’s most-consistent targets in the news media. He has tweeted critically about the organization more than two dozen times since taking office a year ago, including on Tuesday morning, when he tweeted about “Fake News CNN” even as many news outlets had picked up on the FBI’s allegation that Griesemer used the phrase while threatening violence.

Even Crazy Jim Acosta of Fake News CNN agrees: “Trump World and WH sources dancing in end zone: Trump wins again...Schumer and Dems caved...gambled and lost.” Thank you for your honesty Jim!

— Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) January 23, 2018

Anthony Luongo, who was a classmate of Griesemer’s in high school until both graduated last year, described him as a Trump supporter who “came in after the election and was very happy” and compared Griesemer’s reaction to that of a fan whose team had won a big game.

Griesemer is from Novi, Mich., a small city of about 59,000 located in the northwest Detroit suburbs. A man who identified himself as Griesemer’s father told The Washington Post that “this whole thing has been a mistake. He really didn’t mean any of it.”

The man added: “He didn’t know what he was saying, the seriousness of it. We’re not even gun owners or anything like that. We don’t have any, neither does he.” Declining to comment further, the man said that “more will come out later.”

An FBI special agent, writing in an affidavit filed in federal court, described 22 total calls Griesemer made to CNN during a two-day period earlier this month. Four of the calls are described as including threats.

In the first call on Jan. 9, the affidavit said, a phone number associated with Griesemer called a publicly listed number for CNN and said: “Fake news. I’m coming to gun you all down.” He then used two expletives and a racial slur before hanging up, the agent continued.

The same male voice called the same CNN number three minutes later, suggesting that CNN employees should kill themselves and saying he was “on my way right now” and “coming to kill you” before hanging up. Another call followed about half an hour later, this time threatening that the CNN “cast is about to get gunned down in a matter of hours.”

That same day, an investigator for CNN determined that the number was registered to Griesemer’s father, the affidavit said. This investigator called another number associated with the account, the affidavit continued, and the man who answered the phone identified himself as “Brandon.” The CNN investigator recorded that conversation and determined that the voice matched the recordings of the threatening calls.

Another call came in the following day, this one making remarks against Jewish people before saying: “You are going down. I have a gun and I am coming to Georgia right now to go to the CNN headquarters to f—–g gun every single last one of you.”

In a statement, CNN said that it had taken actions to protect the safety of its employees.

“We take any threats to CNN employees or workplaces, around the world, ‎ extremely seriously,” the network’s statement said. “This one is no exception. We have been in touch with local and federal law enforcement throughout, and have taken all necessary measures to ensure the safety of our people.”

A spokeswoman did not respond to a question regarding how many threatening calls or messages the network and its employees have received in recent years. A CNN source suggested to The Post’s Erik Wemple that threats against the network’s personnel had increased since Trump began his campaign against the organization, with many coming through social media.

Griesemer attended Novi High School and graduated from the school district last year, according to Nicole Carter, the principal. Carter said that due to federal privacy laws, she could not provide further comment on Griesemer’s time there.

Luongo said that during a statistics class they took at the school, Griesemer would often have his hood up and his head down on his desk. During the first few weeks of school, Luongo also noticed that Griesemer was “openly, shamelessly” reading Hitler’s autobiography “Mein Kampf” before class began.

While he assumed that Griesemer was not reading the book because he agreed with it, Luongo said he later joined in with an argument that Griesemer was having with other students. In Luongo’s retelling, Griesemer said he “kind of identified with the Nationalist Socialist Party.”

When asked if he meant he identified with Hitler, Griesemer “basically told me that, yeah, that was kind of how his ideology was,” Luongo, now a student at Michigan State University, said in an interview Tuesday.

The comments described by Luongo echo an account last year from a teacher of James Alex Fields Jr., the 20-year-old accused of fatally ramming a group of counterprotesters rallying against white supremacists in Charlottesville. That teacher recalled Fields expressing positive views about Nazis since at least high school and described him as having “this fascination with Nazism and a big idolatry of Adolf Hitler.”

Another time, Luongo said he overheard Griesemer telling someone “that the Holocaust was exaggerated.” Luongo said he joined that conversation, and Griesemer told him that while he believed the Holocaust did occur, “the extent was not as bad as reported and believed by everybody.” (The discredited suggestion that the Holocaust’s toll has been exaggerated is a common tactic among Holocaust deniers seeking to “rehabilitate the German Nazis’ image” and make their ideology “more acceptable,” according to the Southern Poverty Law Center.)

An attorney for Griesemer, who is believed to be 19 or 20, did not respond to requests for comment Tuesday about the FBI allegations or Griesemer’s classmate’s recollection. When a reporter visited a Novi home believed to belong to the Griesemer family, a male voice said through a closed door that they had “no comments.”

Griesemer was arrested and released last week on bond, court records show.

The FBI also said that Griesemer called the Islamic Center of Ann Arbor in September and made comments against the facility and Muslims. When police visited the family’s home, Griesemer’s mother told officers her son had said he previously called a mosque. Griesemer later told police that he had called the mosque and “was angry at the time of the call,” the affidavit said.

A neighbor who spoke on the condition of anonymity described Griesemer as “just a young, kind of lost kid.” Bill Nelson, another neighbor, said Griesemer worked at a nearby grocery store. He described Griesemer as a “nice guy” who would bring him groceries from the store and said he was completely surprised by the CNN threats, saying he did not believe the young man to be capable of violence.

“He would never have done it,” said Nelson, 53.

After their discussion about the Holocaust in school, Luongo said he tried to avoid Griesemer.

“I was just generally uncomfortable with the kid,” Luongo said, noting that when he learned of the allegations he was not all that surprised.

“If it was going to be a person that I knew, I would have probably guessed it would be that kid,” Luongo said.
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TLDR: Trump supporter, Hitler supporter, also threatened a mosque.
 
Rematch said:
Fair enough. This is how I picture ever fake news believer:


MTllZDg4MjcxNiMvQVZMZzVHT0RCWWR4WVVsQ1laRXdfLTB1YWdRPS8xNngxMDA6MTk3NXgxMDk4LzEyMDB4NjMwL2ZpbHRlcnM6cXVhbGl0eSg4NSkvaHR0cHM6Ly9zMy5hbWF6b25hd3MuY29tL3BvbGljeW1pYy1pbWFnZXMvbDZ4cXNyZXdkMDV2c3ltMXc1OGNxc2l3Z21hYTlvMzV4eHNnOXJndXN2NHRoa2p6dzVvOWU2YndnMmx5c28zbC5qcGc.jpg


Granted, your image is less masculine and has a less pronounced Adam's Apple.
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I would totally suck that guys dick
 
Exception said:
This just in: teenagers say stupid shit.


What's your excuse?
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He's an adult. Do you even personal responsibility, bro?

Also, what's your excuse for whining like a little bitch and insulting people online only to run away when presented with facts? Will you be seeking the same justification via your mental age?
 
I'm surprised there's this much contentious debate swirling around "guy threatened mass murder at (insert place) = was promptly arrested"

Blame anti-media sentiment all you want or defend it, the moment you start threatening murder in defense of your love for the color blue we still get to arrest you
 
Racism is a mental disorder. Cases like this one prove it.
 
He does look as goofy as Hitler without that fucking moustache.
 
Trotsky said:
He's an adult. Do you even personal responsibility, bro?

Also, what's your excuse for whining like a little bitch and insulting people online only to run away when presented with facts? Will you be seeking the same justification via your mental age?
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You couldn't connect a dot that's common sense for the rest of us, I helped you out. You spelled 'thank you' incorrectly.
 
My views on free speech summarized

Griesemer made “disparaging remarks regarding Jewish individuals” during one call and, months before threatening CNN, called a Michigan mosque and “made derogatory comments relating to the mosque and Muslims.”
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This makes him a royal asshole and piece of shit, but isn’t illegal. Perhaps something akin to electronic trespassing could happen for the constant bothering calls since the phone is private (property) and not a public space where he is making his comments? But the speech itself is and should be protected

Griesemer called a publicly listed number for CNN and said: “Fake news. I’m coming to gun you all down.” He then used two expletives and a racial slur before hanging up, the agent continued.

The same male voice called the same CNN number three minutes later, suggesting that CNN employees should kill themselves and saying he was “on my way right now” and “coming to kill you” before hanging up. Another call followed about half an hour later, this time threatening that the CNN “cast is about to get gunned down in a matter of hours.”
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This shit right here is not. Direct threats of violence fall under the whole fire in a crowded theater example. Someone could get hurt, that can be traumatizing for the one(s) being threatened, and make it extremely difficult to rule out fake threats like this one seems, and ones where there’s actually intent to follow through and the means behind it

Charge him with conspiring to commit an act of terror
 
Kafir-kun said:
You're not addressing my argument. I already conceded that the reports vindicated Officer Wilson but that doesn't mean the claim was a lie, it could've been an error. Like I said, eye witness testimony can be very unreliable and can be altered and contaminated unconsciously. A sincerely believed claim that is not true is not a lie, its a mistake.

Also, as I said before CNN and those criticizing the FPD were right about the larger point concerning systemic racism in the FPD.
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You’re an embarrassment. Keep holding the hands of these pieces of shit, it’s really doing well...
 
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