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‘A Truly Spectacular Ally’: Trump’s Saudi First Foreign Policy
By DANIEL LARISONNovember 17, 2018, 1:16 PM
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President Donald Trump poses for photos with ceremonial swordsmen on his arrival to Murabba Palace, as the guest of King Salman bin Abdulaziz Al Saud of Saudi Arabia, Saturday evening, May 20, 2017, in Riyadh, Saudi Arabia. (Official White House Photo by Shealah Craighead)
Mohammed bin Salman’s responsibility for the Khashoggi murder is getting harder and harder for Trump to deny:

The CIA has concluded that Saudi Crown Prince Mohammed bin Salman ordered the assassination of journalist Jamal Khashoggi in Istanbul last month, contradicting the Saudi government’s claims that he was not involved in the killing, according to people familiar with the matter.

The CIA’s assessment, in which officials have said they have high confidence, is the most definitive to date linking Mohammed to the operation and complicates the Trump administration’s efforts to preserve its relationship with a close ally.

Despite reports that Trump has already been told this, the president remains in denial and keeps making excuses for the Saudis:


Note that Trump’s definition of what constitutes a “truly spectacular ally” depends entirely on what he thinks the other country does for the U.S. in terms of “jobs and economic development.” That is a ridiculous way to think about alliances, but that seems to be how Trump views these relationships. In the Saudi case, it also happens to be false. He grossly exaggerates the importance of Saudi Arabia for our economy, and then considers them a “truly spectacular” ally because of the exaggerated role he has invented in his own mind. Trump routinely treats other far more valuable and powerful treaty allies with disdain because they supposedly rip us off, but he refuses to punish the reckless Saudis because he thinks they pay us enough.

The truth is that Saudi Arabia isn’t our ally in any meaningful sense. There is no treaty that requires either of our governments to come to the aid of the other, and our interests and Saudi interests have been diverging for many years. The purpose of any American alliance is supposed to be advancing the security interests of the U.S., but in practice the connection with the Saudis has meant that the U.S. subordinates our interests to those of the kingdom. Support for the Saudi coalition war on Yemen is the most consequential and destructive example of this, but that is just part of a larger pattern of allowing bad client states to define U.S. interests in the region according to their preferences. The same thing led to U.S. involvement in Syria, and it is why U.S. forces are still there illegally today. Instead of asking how the U.S. benefits from supporting the reckless behavior of our regional clients, one administration after another insists that we must indulge the reckless behavior in order to maintain the relationships with those clients. Things have reached a point where the U.S. will enable the most horrific atrocities to keep the Saudis “on board” with a policy of hostility towards Iran that they have wanted all along and have urged on us. Preserving the noxious relationship with Saudi Arabia has become an end in itself, and Trump’s Saudi First foreign policy has put support for that relationship ahead of everything else.

https://www.theamericanconservative...cular-ally-trumps-saudi-first-foreign-policy/
 
What do you all think the US should do? Serious question.
 
‘A Truly Spectacular Ally’: Trump’s Saudi First Foreign Policy
By DANIEL LARISONNovember 17, 2018, 1:16 PM
trump-saudi-king-salman-sword-554x350.jpg

President Donald Trump poses for photos with ceremonial swordsmen on his arrival to Murabba Palace, as the guest of King Salman bin Abdulaziz Al Saud of Saudi Arabia, Saturday evening, May 20, 2017, in Riyadh, Saudi Arabia. (Official White House Photo by Shealah Craighead)
Mohammed bin Salman’s responsibility for the Khashoggi murder is getting harder and harder for Trump to deny:

The CIA has concluded that Saudi Crown Prince Mohammed bin Salman ordered the assassination of journalist Jamal Khashoggi in Istanbul last month, contradicting the Saudi government’s claims that he was not involved in the killing, according to people familiar with the matter.

The CIA’s assessment, in which officials have said they have high confidence, is the most definitive to date linking Mohammed to the operation and complicates the Trump administration’s efforts to preserve its relationship with a close ally.

Despite reports that Trump has already been told this, the president remains in denial and keeps making excuses for the Saudis:


Note that Trump’s definition of what constitutes a “truly spectacular ally” depends entirely on what he thinks the other country does for the U.S. in terms of “jobs and economic development.” That is a ridiculous way to think about alliances, but that seems to be how Trump views these relationships. In the Saudi case, it also happens to be false. He grossly exaggerates the importance of Saudi Arabia for our economy, and then considers them a “truly spectacular” ally because of the exaggerated role he has invented in his own mind. Trump routinely treats other far more valuable and powerful treaty allies with disdain because they supposedly rip us off, but he refuses to punish the reckless Saudis because he thinks they pay us enough.

The truth is that Saudi Arabia isn’t our ally in any meaningful sense. There is no treaty that requires either of our governments to come to the aid of the other, and our interests and Saudi interests have been diverging for many years. The purpose of any American alliance is supposed to be advancing the security interests of the U.S., but in practice the connection with the Saudis has meant that the U.S. subordinates our interests to those of the kingdom. Support for the Saudi coalition war on Yemen is the most consequential and destructive example of this, but that is just part of a larger pattern of allowing bad client states to define U.S. interests in the region according to their preferences. The same thing led to U.S. involvement in Syria, and it is why U.S. forces are still there illegally today. Instead of asking how the U.S. benefits from supporting the reckless behavior of our regional clients, one administration after another insists that we must indulge the reckless behavior in order to maintain the relationships with those clients. Things have reached a point where the U.S. will enable the most horrific atrocities to keep the Saudis “on board” with a policy of hostility towards Iran that they have wanted all along and have urged on us. Preserving the noxious relationship with Saudi Arabia has become an end in itself, and Trump’s Saudi First foreign policy has put support for that relationship ahead of everything else.

https://www.theamericanconservative...cular-ally-trumps-saudi-first-foreign-policy/
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Shocked that we didn't nuke them?

Why are our only responses to roll over or nuke them?

You do this all of the time. Either Trump contradicts our intelligence community to placate Putin or he punches him the face and starts WW3.

It's your consistent last refugee when you can't back peddle anymore.
 
Question, legit:
Does this president have any testicular fortitude to do anything other than blame others to avoid problems?
 
Don't be ridiculous. I believe the US has conflicts of interest that make it necessary for an arbitrator, like the UN, to step in. Shady people or not, they are an ally. Economically and militarily.

the UN can't even decisively report on whether or not a chemical weapons attack took place in Douma, Syria

also they put Saudi Arabia on their human rights council. what a joke

the UN can't be trusted with this
 
the UN can't even decisively report on whether or not a chemical weapons attack took place in Douma, Syria

also they put Saudi Arabia on their human rights council. what a joke

the UN can't be trusted with this
so you believe Trump is going to come down harder than the UN?
 
so you believe Trump is going to come down harder than the UN?

no, I'm saying the UN is a waste of time

the details of the Turkish investigation have already been shared with several Western countries. they do not need to wait for a UN report. some countries will choose to take action, others will not. they each have a choice to make.
 
the UN can't even decisively report on whether or not a chemical weapons attack took place in Douma, Syria

also they put Saudi Arabia on their human rights council. what a joke

the UN can't be trusted with this

The US can? Let's be real. You think a US investigation into the Douma attack would be better than what the OPCW did?

The US was ready to be judge, jury and executioner from the first second without hesitation. Just the fact that the OPCW report was hesitant on placing blame based on availible evidence is why we need the UN in the first place. We don't need the US waving their fingers around on the UN floor, not only the fact that they are proven to shamelessly lie to push their warmongering agenda, but any such report would be be toothless, because of other veto powers calling their bluffs. That is unless the US bypass the UN completely which would be unlikely.
 
What do you all think the US should do? Serious question.
Abandon MBS. Sanction him and his inner circle. Ask Interpol to charge him
The US should have classified Saudi Arabia as an enemy state after 9-11. It's not too late.

Trump campaigned on getting tough with Saudi. After he becomes president he does a 180.
 
I don't see it happening, no matter who is in office.
Trump could make life very very hard for the Al Sauds. He did after all campaign on getting tough with them. Obama was tougher on them than the past couple of US presidents. If Trump can get tough with China, why can't he with Saudi? Trump doesn't want to cause his family makes too much money off them and cause the Israel lobby supports Saudi. Trump will do what Bibi tells him to do.
 
The weird thing about Americans trashing the Saudis is that we literally helped create them.
 

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