More Nations Are Banning Ritual Slaughter. Should Religious Tradition Be Honored Over Animal Rights?

[abiG]

This article begs some very interesting questions as it pertains to the ritual slaughter of animals that are based purely in religious belief, both in Judaism and in Islam. For anyone who has seen these slaughter techniques, you have seen the horror. You have seen the (unnecessary?) pain the animals experience.

America is not one of these countries. Should we be? What say y'all?

Responding to pressure from the activists, Jewish and Muslim groups have agreed to make changes in an effort to preserve their slaughtering practices. It has come to illustrate a broader debate across Europe that has pitted advocates of religious freedom and minority rights against a growing movement for animal rights.
https://bigthink.com/21st-century-s...gious-tradition-be-honored-over-animal-rights

 

[cincymma79]

Should be banned
At the time these traditions stared this was the least painful way they could kill them. Been a while since then. Fuck em.

 

[BAKM]

Religious rights should never trump the rights of any living thing.

 

[uppercutbus]

Iceland recently wanted to ban circumcision too, can't find no updates on how that went though.

 

[ToxicShocker]

Do they eat the animals later?

Is it just a throat slit and exsanguination?

 

[Cubo de Sangre]

Are these ritual slaughters less humane than factory farms?

 

[salamander]

If animals are considered property, and the owner of the property is using these guidelines:

. Humane methods

No method of slaughtering or handling in connection with slaughtering shall be deemed to comply with the public policy of the United States unless it is humane. Either of the following two methods of slaughtering and handling are hereby found to be humane:

(a) in the case of cattle, calves, horses, mules, sheep, swine, and other livestock, all animals are rendered insensible to pain by a single blow or gunshot or an electrical, chemical or other means that is rapid and effective, before being shackled, hoisted, thrown, cast, or cut; or

(b) by slaughtering in accordance with the ritual requirements of the Jewish faith or any other religious faith that prescribes a method of slaughter whereby the animal suffers loss of consciousness by anemia of the brain caused by the simultaneous and instantaneous severance of the carotid arteries with a sharp instrument and handling in connection with such slaughtering.

Then there really shouldn't be a big deal made about how whether the secular way or the religious way of slaughtering animals is more humane.

 

[Wet Blanket]

Meat eaters taking about banning animal slaughter?

 

[zebby23]

Religious rights should never trump the rights of any living thing.

Beat me to it

 

[Armbars]

cattle should be property of the owner, and slaughtered in the cheapest way possible to gain profit.

 

[HockeyBjj]

Do they eat the animals later?

Are these ritual slaughters less humane than factory farms?

The answers to these two questions would be what determines my feelings on this matter.

If they're killing an animal quickly and not letting it go to waste, then go for it. It's just a less sporting hunting for their religious purposes and imo should be allowed

If they're prolonging suffering of the animal or just letting it rot after killing it to kill it then fuck no. We're not savages

 

[Gregolian]

Meat eaters taking about banning animal slaughter?

Methods of slaughter.

 

[abiG]

Iceland recently wanted to ban circumcision too, can't find no updates on how that went though.

Whoa... that's a whole other thread. This is ritual animal slaughter, not ritual genital mutilation of children.

Do they eat the animals later?

I can speak for the Jews. This ritual is for food, specifically.

If they're prolonging suffering of the animal or just letting it rot after killing it to kill it then fuck no. We're not savages

That's the thing. This involves tying up the cow by it's back legs, slitting it's throat, and then waiting for it to bleed out. There are videos available, as I said. Not pretty.

 

[Gregolian]

That's the thing. This involves tying up the cow by it's back legs, slitting it's throat, and then waiting for it to bleed out. There are videos available, as I said. Not pretty.

And hard ass vegans say me shooting a deer with a double lung shot or heart shot is cruel....

Gotta imagine this is better than what I've read about the ritualistic ways for animal slaughter:

Spoiler

Vid of animal being hunted

Spoiler

 

[tonni]

Are these ritual slaughters less humane than factory farms?

They are factory farmed animals. Ritual slaughtering has become highly industrial. It's not Ahmed with a big knife it's Ahmed pushing a button.

Anyway, no, I don't think it's that less "humane" than factory farming in general. It's all hell on earth.

BTW this is not just an Islamic thing. You'll find a lot of farmers in Eastern Europe that just slit the throats of their sheep without sedation.

Not justifying it, but I knew farmers in Belgium who would hold the pig down and slit its throat. Same with chickens, just hack the head off in the backyard.

 

[tonni]

Do they eat the animals later?

Is it just a throat slit and exsanguination?

 

[MicroBrew]

This article begs some very interesting questions as it pertains to the ritual slaughter of animals that are based purely in religious belief, both in Judaism and in Islam. For anyone who has seen these slaughter techniques, you have seen the horror. You have seen the (unnecessary?) pain the animals experience.

America is not one of these countries. Should we be? What say y'all?

Responding to pressure from the activists, Jewish and Muslim groups have agreed to make changes in an effort to preserve their slaughtering practices. It has come to illustrate a broader debate across Europe that has pitted advocates of religious freedom and minority rights against a growing movement for animal rights.
https://bigthink.com/21st-century-s...gious-tradition-be-honored-over-animal-rights

Good riddance to this bronze age custom and the people who pull the race / religion card to attack critics are shameless. Euro nations that are coming down on Halal and Kosher slaughter are doing the morally right thing.

 

[Billy no mates]

What about religious policemen ? , is it still alright to sacrifice them? .

 

[ToxicShocker]

It didn't occur to me that there's a difference between slaughter rituals and ritual slaughter.

 

[Lord Coke]

This article begs some very interesting questions as it pertains to the ritual slaughter of animals that are based purely in religious belief, both in Judaism and in Islam. For anyone who has seen these slaughter techniques, you have seen the horror. You have seen the (unnecessary?) pain the animals experience.

America is not one of these countries. Should we be? What say y'all?

Responding to pressure from the activists, Jewish and Muslim groups have agreed to make changes in an effort to preserve their slaughtering practices. It has come to illustrate a broader debate across Europe that has pitted advocates of religious freedom and minority rights against a growing movement for animal rights.
https://bigthink.com/21st-century-s...gious-tradition-be-honored-over-animal-rights

check out this case
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Church_of_the_Lukumi_Babalu_Aye_v._City_of_Hialeah
Church of the Lukumi Babalu Aye, Inc. v. Hialeah, 508 U.S. 520 (1993), was a case in which the Supreme Court of the United States held that an ordinance passed in Hialeah, Florida, forbidding the "unnecessar[y]" killing of "an animal in a public or private ritual or ceremony not for the primary purpose of food consumption", was unconstitutional.