Muslims are forced to eat pork and drink alcohol as punishment in China's Islamic 're-education' cam

Bacon and beer as punishment?

Sign me up!! Allahu Akbar motherfuckers!!!
 
Only Pepsi allowed, so halal.

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Jews = Coke?
Muslims= Pepsi?

Christians = Sprite?
Catholics = 7up?

Mormons = Lipton Iced Tea? LMAO!


I'm telling you these religions are nearly identical!
 
If you would've read the link I posted it shows that in arid and desert regions pork was becoming less common before the prohibition by the Jews and was already being replaced by the chicken. Its not that the pig was impossible to raise in the region, its just that the chicken was a superior source of protein for multiple reasons.
It is truly annoying how many times you have to repeat the same, cited information over and over again only for it to be dismissed out of hand.
 
I’ve always held that the Japanese and Chinese are the most actually racist (on average as a culture) of all the 1st world nations

Also, communism gonna communism. Having right revoking camps is just part of the package. Remember this all you fools who wear star and sickle shirts and complain about capitalism while waving a rainbow flag

This is extremely lazy. China isn't doing anything that we weren't doing with the Patriot Act and Gitmo. While I don't condone China's actions, you can't paint them with seperate brush than you do ourselves.

Also, Japan isn't communist and China only is on paper. While I would agree that racism is an issue in Asia, LGBT rights are often far more progressive than in the states. If you want to further apply that arguement to other left leaning socialistic countries, the nordic countries in europe are far more progressive with respect to lgbt rights and just rights in general than the states.

Saying stuff that sounds nice and simple doesn't make it right.
 
China and Japan also support fat shaming. They will call out fat people and tell them to their face being fat is ugly.
good for them. its reflection of dogshit work ethic.

Two Ton Tony Galenta being an exception.
 
First. Why do they commit more crimes? Melanin in their skin? Disproportionately live in poverty?

Second. You dislike black people or criminal black people or criminals? Do you bother to differentiate?

Third. Stop crying about other people and their behavior and consequences and worry about your own. You believe there is disproportionate crime but not prison sentences? That’s the consequence but it’s weak to keep changing how you do you because of your perception of someone else’s life.

Fourth. I feel less favorably to the demographic of people that commit violent crimes. And by that I mean the individuals that commit violent crimes. No one claims I’m evil.

You feel less favorably to the demographic of people who commit violent crimes. By that you mean a racial group of people who statistically commit violent crimes. Literally the definition of racism. You judge the entire demographic based on their racial group statistics not on the actions of the individual.

I’m done with this conversation. You are arguing for the definition of racist thought and crying that people associate your ideas with racism. Be a man and hold values that you can ascribe to despite what others think of you.

1. I would say it's cultural. They seem to adhere to a culture that glorifies breaking the law. Look at Hip Hop culture.

2. You appear to be a cultural relativist. Not all cultures are the same.

Thought experiment: If you were president of a country and you had to allow 10,000 immigrants a year, and you could choose which country they were from, would you choose 10,000 immigrants from Congo/Mexico/Pakistan? Or 10,000 immigrants from Japan/Sweden/Switzerland?

Which immigrants do you think would be more likely to peacefully integrate? Create safe streets and harmonise with American culture?

3. I'm sorry, I'm not sure what you mean here.

4. Some demographics commit more crime than others. And people recognise patterns and certain demographics are going to develop a bad reputation. Is this unfair on peaceful, law-abiding individuals from that demographic? Yes, sure, it is. But, it is human nature to recognise patterns and make judgements on threats to their safety.

Thought experiment: You are walking home alone at midnight down a dark alley and there are two pathways to your house. One pathway has a group of four 20-35 year old black men, wearing hip hop clothing. The other pathway has a single 50-65-year-old Asian lady with her shopping. Which path do you think is the safest to walk down?
 
Quick question, not trying to be a dick. But what price are you paying today, for your treatment of them? It's not like there are that many of them, nor are they likely a major political force. Unless they are launching terrorist attacks, what price are you paying?

Welfare costs, education costs, incarceration costs, health costs and huge loss of productivity.
Huge array of costs associated with destroying family units.
And that's my financial costs as a tax payer. This would be much different from someone whose relatives experienced it first hand.
 
South Africa doesn't have a history of human rights atrocities? You say this in the same post you mention Apartheid...

I said I don't think we could presently be accused of having a history of human rights atrocities. I have to assume that you're aware that the authoritarian apartheid government is no longer in power here? So, unless you're claiming that the democratic government we've had since '94 is somehow culpable for the crimes of its predecessors, this is pretty much a non-point whose only purpose appears to be to deflection.

If the Palestinians overthrew the Jews in Israel and started ruling the country would you continue to hold the government of Israel responsible for the historical oppression of Palestinians?
If the Jews had overthrown the Nazis, taken power in Germany and purged the government of all Nazi sympathies, would you continue to blame the government of Germany for the holocaust?

As far as your question about how seriously I would take South African criticism of Saudi Arabia if apartheid was still around, I'd answer as I did before in saying I'd take it seriously if the criticism could stand on its own merits which in this case it very likely would. That's not mutually exclusive to me then turning around and criticizing South Africa.

I said if they criticized Israel's treatment of Palestinians, not Saudi Arabia's internal policies.
We're going to have to agree to disagree on this point, and I am going to have to reserve some doubt at the idea that you'd consider an apartheid government claim that "minority rule is wrong" to be particularly legitimate - especially if Israel was a strategic rival competing with South Africa for regional influence.

A modern example would be that Israelis have legitimate criticisms of their Arab neighbors despite the fact that they have their own apartheid problem.

What Arab policies that have no impact on Israel does Israel criticise?
 
I thought it was because pork had a higher incidence of disease being present in the meat and other edibles inside the body? I mean they didn't just eat the muscle back then, they used the whole animal. That would explain the whole "unclean" phraseology used in Abrahamic faiths when referencing Pork. It honestly makes sense.

Now I had not considered that Pork was very inefficient to raise. Which is weird is that some Celtic cultures raised pigs exclusively for meat, and ate lots of it. If it was so inefficient why did they do it?
The disease argument may be true as well but I think the resource efficiency point would be more obvious to them.

This point is primarily relevant for arid and semi-arid regions. Celts likely had the water resources to support pigs without it being a problem. Even some communities in the Middle East continued to raise pigs.
I said I don't think we could presently be accused of having a history of human rights atrocities. I have to assume that you're aware that the authoritarian apartheid government is no longer in power here? So, unless you're claiming that the democratic government we've had since '94 is somehow culpable for the crimes of its predecessors, this is pretty much a non-point whose only purpose appears to be to deflection.
Presently accused of having a history...kind of awkward wording IMO but okay I see your point.
What Arab policies that have no impact on Israel does Israel criticise?
The fact that they're dictatorships primarily.
My question is, what prompted the Chinese to do this? My gut says something like this does not happen out of nothing. Was there some huge spate of terror there and people called for revenge?
The Uyghurs are a Turkic minority with secessionist tendencies. Don't know how developed the secessionist movement over there is, could be that its not really that far along but the Chinese don't tolerate it at all or it could be a legitimate threat to the territorial integrity of China.
 
1. I would say it's cultural. They seem to adhere to a culture that glorifies breaking the law. Look at Hip Hop culture.

2. You appear to be a cultural relativist. Not all cultures are the same.

Thought experiment: If you were president of a country and you had to allow 10,000 immigrants a year, and you could choose which country they were from, would you choose 10,000 immigrants from Congo/Mexico/Pakistan? Or 10,000 immigrants from Japan/Sweden/Switzerland?

Which immigrants do you think would be more likely to peacefully integrate? Create safe streets and harmonise with American culture?

3. I'm sorry, I'm not sure what you mean here.

4. Some demographics commit more crime than others. And people recognise patterns and certain demographics are going to develop a bad reputation. Is this unfair on peaceful, law-abiding individuals from that demographic? Yes, sure, it is. But, it is human nature to recognise patterns and make judgements on threats to their safety.

Thought experiment: You are walking home alone at midnight down a dark alley and there are two pathways to your house. One pathway has a group of four 20-35 year old black men, wearing hip hop clothing. The other pathway has a single 50-65-year-old Asian lady with her shopping. Which path do you think is the safest to walk down?

You’re still making black culture hip hop culture. If you don’t like the racism charge stop mixing the two up. Hip hop culture is way beyond black people in this country and even then I think you’re really talking about a culture of gangsterism. Not every black person adheres to the values of hip hop culture the same way not every white person adheres to the values of big business corporatism culture. If you can’t see a differentiation...racist.

Culture relativist is a term I’ve never used to describe myself. I can see that even if 99% of a group adheres to a set of norms it’s still fuckin dumb to pretend that all of them do and are incapable of doing otherwise.

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Thought experiment one
I had a roommate from Pakistan. He fit into standard white culture better than me. Every kid straight from Africa in my high school class was in ap an gifted classes and had no problems acclimating to American culture including the kid from the Congo. I’m from Miami, anybody from any Spanish country fits in fine where I live.

But I’ll still go the route you want with your thought experiment. Any culture that already speaks English will acclimate easier. So Switzerland and Sweden for sure. Japan? I don’t see how they’re different than your other block of countries. I don’t know many Japanese people. I’ll take the Mexicans if we’re going solely on fear of the unknown here.

And none of it really matters cause that second generation is gonna be almost indistinguishable from Americans twenty years down the line. Irish, Italian yadda yadda.
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Some demographics do commit crime at higher rates. Those who idolize gang culture, jihadists, white nationalists. Again If you can only make distinctions based on “blacks” “Muslims” don’t be surprised that your called a racist. And it sucks to be one of th ones that doesn’t fit the demographic and get lumped in.

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Thought experiment 2
Gotta admit, this is what made me respond to you, it’s laughably dumb.

The Asian lady is the safe route. But I have one for you.
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MY THOUGHT EXPERIMENT TO YOU
Now there is a black woman she is 50 and well dressed on the north side of the side walk.

On the south side are 4 young white men, shaved heads, neck tattoos and wife beaters cursing loudly and gesturing aggressively with each other. Which side is the safe side?

ROUND 2

How bout two of those same young white men on the south sidewalk and 4 business attired young black men on the north sidewalk chatting amicably?

Apples to apples please.
 
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Could you source such a criticism with which you are in agreement?
The very one I just mentioned. Egypt is a brutal dictatorship and despite my issues with Israel I'm more ashamed of US support for the former than the latter and I'd rather cut aid to Sisi before Netanyahu
 
I'd love to see the numbers on how many of them secretly, or openly loved it.

Hard to want to blow yourself up while holding an ice cold one and a bacon cheeseburger
 
I'd love to see the numbers on how many of them secretly, or openly loved it.

Hard to want to blow yourself up while holding an ice cold one and a bacon cheeseburger
Booze and pork are overrated, weed and fish are superior.

Change my mind
 
Booze and pork are overrated, weed and fish are superior.

Change my mind

That might be the most limp wristed statement I've read on this forum.

Beer and pork literally are two things that can connect all racial cultures and economic classes.
 
That might be the most limp wristed statement I've read on this forum.

Beer and pork literally are two things that can connect all racial cultures and economic classes.
Lol at beer. What a waste of time that is, if I had to drink I certainly wouldn't drink bread water just to get fat and not drunk.
 
Spare ribs and Beer, what’s the problem, they should be thankful
 
Booze and pork are overrated, weed and fish are superior.

Change my mind

I’m not a huge fan of pork and booze leaves me hungover, however weed is for deadbeat losers.

Fish, fish can fuck off. I caught like 60 salmon last August in my driftnet, at first it was good, after a few weeks I was so sick of salmon I couldn’t take a single bite and I still had like 220lbs of it.
 
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