My Socialist leaning Sherbro's, help me understand this one?

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  1. Greoric

    Greoric Silver Belt

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    I can't make you come to the conclusion. You have to on your own, hence the questions. So what do you think? Is the QC in the products you buy, primarily responsible by way of gov't regulation?
     
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    Again I find your style to be condescending and manipulative. Make a point of your own of fuck off friend.
     
  3. kpt018

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    It depends on the product and what you exactly mean by quality, but it can be either/both government regulation and consumer considerations (company quality control).

    One of a million examples are restaurants. They take measures to make sure they are food safety compliant because failure and/or bad grades can ruin them or literally shut down shop, and restaurants definitely push the envelope. They also take care to serve hot, delicious food because that keeps customers coming back. But you find examples across many industries.
     
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  4. Greoric

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    I made the concluding point already, I'm just trying to help you get to it yourself. There's plenty of room along the way for you to make substantive and innovative rebuttals. I'm out though. Take care mate.
     
  5. Greoric

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    OK great, so at the margin that government regulation enforces QC, are there QC standards that businesses enforce beyond those?
     
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    Obviously yes. And I added to my point above which addresses this.
     
  7. Greoric

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    Right great, so if the market produces QC exceeding what regulatory agencies can provide, why is there a need for them?
     
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    You're conflating different concepts. Government regulations are almost always focused on dangers to consumers and employees whereas quality control for companies are often focused on the customer experience in some way.

    Going back to my restaurant example. Regulations near me (they vary state to state) require that restaurants meet requirements to reduce or eliminate food born illnesses. So they require food handlers to wear gloves and wash their hands regularly, proper temperature of food (stored and after it's cooked), chemicals can't be stored above food, etc.. Without these laws we'd have shit tons of restaurants just ignoring this stuff (or genuinely ignorant of them) to cut costs. Shit, you still see issues all the time despite these laws, but the problems would be way worse without them. The requirement to have restaurant managers take mandatory classes and to get certified go a long way to making sure they have the correct knowledge to avoid getting customers sick or killing them.

    But restaurant owners will still focus on delivering hot food, good quality, good service, etc. because it's good for their business, which is what I think you're referring to.
     
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  9. Greoric

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    I beg your pardon. What conflation? The term quality doesn't include the elimination of hazardous variables? If you agree that at the margin government regulatory agencies enforce QC, that businesses go beyond that, what's the purpose of having that mandate?
     
  10. Gunny

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    So if you’re including all the counterproductive interpersonal parameters such as envy, resentment and low moral into the equation and saying that the markets establish an equilibrium price that is inclusive of these variables, then yes. It does just that.
     
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    The problem is that women getting paid for not working just encourages single motherhood which is the biggest social disaster of our lifetime. The incompetence of single mothers can't reasonably be ignored any longer. The damage is simply to severe.
     
  12. Greoric

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    Sure. Where's the miscalculation by the market then that women at various life stages aren't getting paid what they're capable of producing?
     
  13. Greoric

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    Amazing how so many people are in favor of continuing disgenic (as opposed to eugenic) programs.
     
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    To answer the question you have to separate the concepts. The term quality includes "not killing people" and "delivering high quality products for positive consumer experiences" but they are are two different things in the context of this discussion. Regulations attempt to address one and businesses are on their own to address the other. You need regulations to make sure we have standards that don't get people killed, make sure waste is disposed of properly, etc..

    It seems like you're saying if a restaurant can serve delicious burgers who needs regulations. I would say that I don't want e coli, so I'm happy there are standards to follow.
     
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  15. Greoric

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    Why do you have to separate the concepts? Quality Control doesn't include abstention from hazardous or deleterious variables? WTF? Would you define something as "high quality" if it has a high potential of killing you?
     
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    Are you even reading my posts are just avoiding them because you're realizing you goofed?

    Obviously it is not high quality if it can kill you in one sense but it could be considered high quality in other senses. Again, and I already gave the example so I think you're being difficult, but a burger can look and taste amazing and still get you sick.

    This is not difficult, but it does blow a hole in libertarian thinking, but I'm not interested in the game you're playing here.
     
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  17. Greoric

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    Right, which would make that burger low quality, yes? And with that in mind, when its discovered and publicized, who has the greater incentive to adjust the standard?
     
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    Well first, i wouldn’t go along with the words “miscalculation by the market” as I think that gives a miss-impression of what i’m saying. My point from the beginning has been that, when resuming their careers, certain highly competent mothers (or could be fathers for that matter) often have to settle for positions and pay that are less than those of lower competence individuals who have remained consistently employed. And further, this is not because the lower competence senior employee is able to bring more value to the organization through their work but because they are capable of bringing more harm to the organization if made sufficiently resentful.
     
  19. Greoric

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    That's a pretty extravagant leap. Any literature to support the claim? We'll go with it in any event. So then overall, out of an interest for productivity, businesses are making the correct choice, right?
     
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    Would you take my own comment from earlier in this thread ;)

    For that matter I could give you the names of a dozen other business owners who would privately admit the factors I’m describing while publicly denying them. I seriously doubt anyone could do a meaningful study on the topic as it’s just too toxic.
     

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